Cat Fight!

[fonzzy07]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

Just like we don't tolerate racism, I would hope that we don't tolerate blanket statements against religions here. Yes, there are Christians who are hypocritcal, but you can't paint us all with the same brush. I take offense to your remark.

I am Christian myself, just an oberservation I have made tho, some of the worst games from everyone envolved are at Christian Schools.

[bigdogrunnin]

Nice job handling a difficult situation. I had a similar situation earlier this season and did somewhat the same. In either case, I don't think anyone would fault you for your choice. Fact is, it all worked out OK, and you kept your head. Keep up the great work.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by fonzzy07

I am Christian myself, just an oberservation I have made tho, some of the worst games from everyone envolved are at Christian Schools.

I have had some bad games at Christian schools. I have had some excellent games at Christian schools.

I have had some bad games at public schools. I have had some excellent games at public schools.

Would you ever consider saying, "Just an observation I have made tho, some of the worst games from everyone involved are at black schools." I hope not. Because that's stereotyping. But it seems some people have no problem stereotyping Christians.

[Mountaineer]

{rant on} As someone who has taught at Christian Schools and coached at Christian Schools for 15 years I take issue with some of the disparaging comments. I have attended/coached/officiated hundreds of games at Christian Schools. Only one time do I ever remember anything being remotely out of hand. I am curious though, do people think that because it happens at a Christian School that makes it any more wrong? Because a person is a Christian does not mean they have any more control of their emotions. Yes, we can get into a whole spiritual discussion here, but let's just say that Christians are not supernatural - they are human and we all know that sports brings out everyone's worst. The fact that you say "Well, it was at a CS so what do you expect" does bother me. I schedule officials for one of the local CS's here and my guys beg to go there because there's never a problem.

*sigh* OK, I feel somewhat better now. Thanks for listening. {rant off}

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think this would be appropriate right about now:

I might agree, except that one point I think is crucial that hasn't been made. Which is that an awful lot of kids at Christian schools aren't Christian, so behaving badly isn't hypocritical for them. And some kids are there because they are problem kids who their parients are trying to keep in line, so they have a tendency toward bad behavior. So having the occasional riot at a Christian school certainly isn't surprising. Also, doesn't reflect on all Christian schools, or all Christians.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I might agree, except that one point I think is crucial that hasn't been made. Which is that an awful lot of kids at Christian schools aren't Christian, so behaving badly isn't hypocritical for them. And some kids are there because they are problem kids who their parients are trying to keep in line, so they have a tendency toward bad behavior. So having the occasional riot at a Christian school certainly isn't surprising. Also, doesn't reflect on all Christian schools, or all Christians.

So acting badly is only hypocritical if you're christian?

And christian schools are now the dumping ground for kids with problems?

IMO we should be surprised at ANY riot at ANY school. But that's just me, what do I know?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

So acting badly is only hypocritical if you're christian?

And christian schools are now the dumping ground for kids with problems?

IMO we should be surprised at ANY riot at ANY school. But that's just me, what do I know?

No, that's not at all what I'm saying. Just that people tend to assume that anyone who uses the word Christian ought to always be a model of good behavior, and there are lots of different reasons why that assumption is simplistic and inaccurate. I was merely pointing out a couple reasons more that could be added to the list.

I think we should be saddened by ANY riot, at ANY school, but perhaps not always surprised. There are certain places and certain rivalries that just do have more problems.

[CoachP]

As a Christian school coach, we do see a lot of people that think we are a "reform school".

Most of the kids here are members of the church that the school is tied to.

It is rare (at least in our school) that the others enroll more than a year. But I have seen a lot of problems arise from them. Same problems that they brought to the table when they were in a public school the year before.

On the flip side, yes, the Christian kids do have their share of problems, they still are kids.

[CaliOne]

Last I checked, christian kids go to public schools too. And I think that, yes, christian schools should be held to a higher standard.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by fonzzy07

I am Christian myself, just an oberservation I have made tho, some of the worst games from everyone envolved are at Christian Schools.

I agree 100% with this statement.

[refnrev]

I said I wasn't going to enter into this, but here goes.
1. Some Christian/Parochial schools have coaches, players, and fans that are jerks.
2. Some public schools have coaches, players, and fans that are jerks.
3. Some Christian/Parochial schools have coaches, players, and fans that are class acts.
4. Some public schools have coaches, players, and fans that are class acts.
5. Some games with Christian/Parochial schools have been a royal pain in the butt.
6. Some games with public schools have been a royal pain in the butt.
7. Some games with Christian/Parochial schools have been a joy to work.
8. Some games with public schools have been a joy to work.

Should Christian schools be held to a higher standard. IMO yes...because of the mission of the school, my Judeo-Christan value sytem, and my understanding of how a Christian is supposed to conduct themesleves on and off the court. That said, all coaches, adminstrators, school personnel, and teachers in all schools are held to a higher standard because of their positions of influence. AND AS LONG AS WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT, WE REFEREES SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD! How many times have you been in a ref room and heard the vulgarity and filth spewing freely -- the same stuff that we would toss a coach or a player or fan for in a second and never look back. Last year my son and I were working a tournament. At the referee gathering place the guys were acting like a bunch of jr. high idiots with fithly jokes, horrible language, and bad behavior. My son who was a sophomore at the time watched guys who officiate his HS games and asked me, "Dad, how am I supposed to take those guys seriously? Everything they tell us in a pre-game speech not to do they were doing and saying?" The guys were acting like rejects from jr high. The kid had a point, you know. So before classifying any type of school as being better or worse, take a long look at the person staring back at you in the mirror and ask what kind of example you've been setting on and off the court when you're combing your hair before going on the court next game!