My very first fight

[Adam]

Ugh!! Sophomore boys.
10 seconds left. H ball in backcourt against full court press. V down by roughly 5 or 6. V32 decides, for whatever reason, that a simple foul isn't enough. He bear hugs/head locks H22 and pulls him to the floor. Whistles everywhere (two of them, precisely). H42 comes flying into the play landing on V32. Crowd going crazy. Coaches standing, Partner and I getting things stopped. I felt good that it stopped with only three participants
We go aside, get everything sorted out. I've got 1 flagrant personal on V32, and 1 flagrant technical each on H42 & H22.
As we're screwing up (in our heads) the free throws to be shot, V coach decides to send V32 to the showers, unattended. V32 figures he's done, so pops off with an "F&$# you" to white bench. Great, now another Flagrant T on the same player (forgot to charge this one as an indirect to V coach.)
Now, in my head, for some ungodly reason, I'm counting the original play as a flagrant personal AND a T for fighting.
Offsetting the phantom T on V32 and one T on H, I've somehow got H shooting two shots for the flagrant personal an two shots for the last flagrant T on V32 (on his way off the court). I frankly don't know where I got the number of shots, or why I gave H the ball rather than V, but I did.
On top of all this, H AD comes onto the court right after the fight because he thinks he needs to help us. H coach is arguing that 42 did not go charging into the play, and even if he did he was only trying to break them up.
I respond that I don't know if he's going in to fight or break them up, and it looked like he tackled both players. AD reminds me several times, on the court, of the severity of the call I'm about to make (completely out of line here.)

Anyway, we shoot the free throws, finish the game, and apologize to the varsity refs for the late start. (^: They decide not to kick our a$$ because we had a legitimate excuse. (^:

Ad decides he wants to come into the locker room and inform me that he saw the whole thing, in a tone that suggested he thought I was wrong. Very calm, but obviously in disagreement wity my call. I ask him to tell me what he saw, because I'd like to know if I was wrong. He says he had the headlock from V32 (which I knew). I affirm that and repeat why I had T's on H42 & H22.

Security comes in a few minutes later to escort us out to our cars. H coach sees us in the hallway, and yells down at us that he's sending the tape to the supervisors (which I'm glad for, maybe I can get a copy.) Then he yells that we screwed the free throws up as well (he was right, but he benefited from the screw up.) I let him vent and we walked on out.

Rough night.

The good news is I might get a video tape to watch myself ref. I think I had 31 minutes and 50 seconds of a decent game, although I question that if the kids got into a fight at the end.



Adam (still frustrated that I got the free throws and possession wrong.)

[mick]

Originally posted by Snaqwells
Ugh!! Sophomore boys.
10 seconds left. H ball in backcourt against full court press. V down by roughly 5 or 6. V32 decides, for whatever reason, that a simple foul isn't enough. He bear hugs/head locks H22 and pulls him to the floor. Whistles everywhere (two of them, precisely). H42 comes flying into the play landing on V32. Crowd going crazy. Coaches standing, Partner and I getting things stopped. I felt good that it stopped with only three participants
We go aside, get everything sorted out. I've got 1 flagrant personal on V32, and 1 flagrant technical each on H42 & H22.
As we're screwing up (in our heads) the free throws to be shot, V coach decides to send V32 to the showers, unattended. V32 figures he's done, so pops off with an "F&$# you" to white bench. Great, now another Flagrant T on the same player (forgot to charge this one as an indirect to V coach.)
Now, in my head, for some ungodly reason, I'm counting the original play as a flagrant personal AND a T for fighting.
Offsetting the phantom T on V32 and one T on H, I've somehow got H shooting two shots for the flagrant personal an two shots for the last flagrant T on V32 (on his way off the court). I frankly don't know where I got the number of shots, or why I gave H the ball rather than V, but I did.
On top of all this, H AD comes onto the court right after the fight because he thinks he needs to help us. H coach is arguing that 42 did not go charging into the play, and even if he did he was only trying to break them up.
I respond that I don't know if he's going in to fight or break them up, and it looked like he tackled both players. AD reminds me several times, on the court, of the severity of the call I'm about to make (completely out of line here.)

Anyway, we shoot the free throws, finish the game, and apologize to the varsity refs for the late start. (^: They decide not to kick our a$$ because we had a legitimate excuse. (^:

Ad decides he wants to come into the locker room and inform me that he saw the whole thing, in a tone that suggested he thought I was wrong. Very calm, but obviously in disagreement wity my call. I ask him to tell me what he saw, because I'd like to know if I was wrong. He says he had the headlock from V32 (which I knew). I affirm that and repeat why I had T's on H42 & H22.

Security comes in a few minutes later to escort us out to our cars. H coach sees us in the hallway, and yells down at us that he's sending the tape to the supervisors (which I'm glad for, maybe I can get a copy.) Then he yells that we screwed the free throws up as well (he was right, but he benefited from the screw up.) I let him vent and we walked on out.

Rough night.

The good news is I might get a video tape to watch myself ref. I think I had 31 minutes and 50 seconds of a decent game, although I question that if the kids got into a fight at the end.



Adam (still frustrated that I got the free throws and possession wrong.)

Adam,
Real fine post.
Good luck with the precipitate!
mick

[One-Whistle]

As a whole, it appears that you did a GREAT job of dealing with this difficult situation.

It certianly did not help that you had the home AD meddling in the situation.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

V coach decides to send V32 to the showers, unattended.

Not fer nothin' but this is not allowed.

[Adam]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Not fer nothin' but this is not allowed.

Coach was so informed after this. I believe Home AD went and supervised V32. It wasn't my concern at that point, IMO, since AD had stated that he was going to take care of it.

[NICK]

If H22 was bear-hugged/locked up and pulled to the floor, why did he get a technical? You did not mention if he was also involved in the fight. I read your post carefully and it looked like he was the injured party.

[bigwes68]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Not fer nothin' but this is not allowed.

At this point, what exactly are you going to do to stop it? If you try to stop him, you're probably going to end up giving a T to both him and the coach and fire everyone else up even more. I say let him go, probably best to let him get on out of there.

And if the AD came out there (unless I had asked for help) I would tell him to leave. If there's still time on the clock, it's still my game and my court.

[Adam]

Originally posted by NICK
If H22 was bear-hugged/locked up and pulled to the floor, why did he get a technical? You did not mention if he was also involved in the fight. I read your post carefully and it looked like he was the injured party.

Sorry, I forgot to note that he responded with an elbow to V32's stomach.

[NICK]

Thanks