Coach got rung last night

[goapps21]

Here is the situation, I am a varsity official but I just observed this game.

Varsity men's basketball game, home team up two, visitor ball, with 10 seconds to go. Visitors come down the floor and throw up 3 shots that were very bad. Not wanting to dictate the out come of game the game officials let them play. Shooter 3 somehow gets hit in the face in the confusion after he shoots. He is laying on the ground when the ball goes out of bound to the home team with .9 seconds left. Visitor coach is irate, running back and forth up and down the floor screaming. Gets T one. Then goes to mid court and starts running his mouth still. T two gone. Then this is when it got bad, he proceeds to stay on the floor for about 5 minutes before anyone does anything to remove him. Still fuming. Talking to anyone that will talk to him including the PA announcer. Finally the refs escort him to the locker room along with the home team security and AD.

Fans are going nuts for the visitors while home team hits 3-4. I was with two fellow officials who also thought they behaved admirably. Until I talk to two parents of the home team that think he should not have been rung, with .9 left. They thought he should have given the ball to the home team to throw in a gotten out of there. Your thoughts?

[swkansasref33]

Time should never be a factor in issuing a T. If the actions warrant it, whack him. I learned this the hard way... I didnt T up a coach when he deserved it when there was only 6 seconds left, and the next game I ran him because he thought he could walk all over me... mind you, this was a MS girls B team game

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by goapps21

Then this is when it got bad, he proceeds to stay on the floor for about 5 minutes before anyone does anything to remove him. Still fuming. Talking to anyone that will talk to him including the PA announcer. Finally the refs escort him to the locker room along with the home team security and AD.

I would have put the clock on him as soon as he refused to leave. Put one minute up, and if he hasn't started to leave when it's over, forfeit it. Letting the situation go on and on is just risking possible fan involvement from his team supporters. The other one that I don't agree with is the officials escorting the coach to the locker room. Stay the hell away from the coach. Let the AD/security escort him out. The officials being in such close proximity to the coach can only inflame the situation.

[goapps21]

I thought he should have been tossed because he was not going to allow the progress of the game.

It was some parents who thought he should have not been tossed with .9 to go.

[Adam]

Yes, ring him up for this; both times.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I would have put the clock on him as soon as he refused to leave. Put one minute up, and if he hasn't started to leave when it's over, forfeit it. Letting the situation go on and on is just risking possible fan involvement from his team supporters. The other one that I don't agree with is the officials escorting the coach to the locker room. Stay the hell away from the coach. Let the AD/security escort him out. The officials being in such close proximity to the coach can only inflame the situation.

This is where the Game Admin from Rita C's game would have came over to talk to the coach and offer him a drink of water and deecee would say it's non of the officials business what's going on over on the sidelines.

[goapps21]

Personally I think game admin did not know what to do. The home AD was in the training room with a fallen cheerleader. They home school had 4 principals that just stood there, and 5 cops one in each corner and one upstairs behind the visitors and they did nothing. Finally the home AD comes out and the principal at the school comes over along with the head football coach (former ref). They keep him in his locker room.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is where the Game Admin from Juulie's game would have came over to talk to the coach and offer him a drink of water and deecee would say it's non of the officials business what's going on over on the sidelines.

It's true, it's true....

[umpire99]

If I remember correctly, the rulebook states that a player or coach are ejected after being assessed two technical fouls. It does not say that a player or coach can only be assessed two technical fouls. Could the referee continue calling T's until the coach finally did leave. I know this would not have changed the outcome of the game, but I think it would have either made the coach leave sooner or brought on a much stiffer penalty for the coach from the "higher ups" when the incident was reported.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by umpire99

I know this would not have changed the outcome of the game, but I think it would have either made the coach leave sooner or brought on a much stiffer penalty for the coach from the "higher ups" when the incident was reported.

Or it mighta made the coach madder and delayed his eventual departure further. Iow you're taking your chances if you try that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by umpire99

If I remember correctly, the rulebook states that a player or coach are ejected after being assessed two technical fouls. It does not say that a player or coach can only be assessed two technical fouls. Could the referee continue calling T's until the coach finally did leave. I know this would not have changed the outcome of the game, but I think it would have either made the coach leave sooner or brought on a much stiffer penalty for the coach from the "higher ups" when the incident was reported.

I doubt it would have done either.

[bellnier]

By all means, whack this coach. Just curious though, when you say "Not wanting to dictate the out come of game the game officials let them play", at what point does this include putting the whistle away when a player is knocked to the floor? Did you speak to the game officials after the game? Did they not see this or did they judge it not foul-worthy?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by umpire99

If I remember correctly, the rulebook states that a player or coach are ejected after being assessed two technical fouls. It does not say that a player or coach can only be assessed two technical fouls. Could the referee continue calling T's until the coach finally did leave. I know this would not have changed the outcome of the game, but I think it would have either made the coach leave sooner or brought on a much stiffer penalty for the coach from the "higher ups" when the incident was reported.

Under ncaa once a team member or coach accumulates enough T's to be DQ'ed he cannot get more T's (consequence of famous incident I believe).

I believe under NFHS you can keep T'ing them up as often as you like until they leave the confies, but why bother?

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by Goapps21
Not wanting to dictate the out come of game the game officials let them play.

Scary area there my freind....

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by goapps21

Not wanting to dictate the out come of game the game officials let them play. Shooter 3 somehow gets hit in the face in the confusion after he shoots. He is laying on the ground when the ball goes out of bound to the home team with .9 seconds left.

Sounds to me like the coach may have had a legitimate complaint. He didn't act properly, though.

These officials ended up in a bad situation, quite possibly of their own making. Coach probably saw a lot of contact let go that was called a foul earlier in the game.

If the officials call a foul here, they have not "dictated the outcome of the game". The player that fouled may have had a hand in it, so to speak, but not the officials.