Venting

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case Book Play 2.8.1:-- "The rule book states that officials may call fouls on either team if its supporters act in in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game.

Thus, while officials do have the authority to penalize a team whose spectators interfere with the proper conduct of the game, this authority must be used with extreme caution and discretion. While the authority is there, ......."

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The NFHS sureashell isn't recommending that "T"s should be called.

Excuse me! Do you read your own writing? So they are recommending I call a common foul? If it's not a technical foul than what foul are they recommending I call?

Also, just like this is not a racial issue, this also has nothing to do with what association I belong too. I know it's difficult but please try to stay on the subject. You may want to make sure you take your mediciation before responding again. I don't want you to bust a vein or something worse trying to prove your point.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Also, just like this is not a racial issue, this also has nothing to do with what association I belong too.

Actually, it does. If you had ever belonged in the past to an organization that properly trained it's officials, then you would already know the recommended way to deal with fans and we wouldn't be engaging in this stupid dialogue. It's very obvious that you, as of yet, have received absolutely no training in the rules, their application and the proper mechanics to be used. Furthermore, believe it or not, actually owning copies of the appropriate rule and case books and being able to refer to them would cut down immensely on the completely wrong and misleading answers that you insist on posting.

There a quite a few rec leagues out there that insist that the officials that they hire are properly trained and know the rules. It's unfortunate that you don't work in one of those, JMO/Old School.

I'm done. I didn't expect to change your mind anywhere along the line, but I sureashell also didn't want any new official reading this thread to think for a second that anything that you recommended should ever actually be tried.

There's the right way and the Old School way iow.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Actually, it does. If you had ever belonged in the past to an organization that properly trained it's officials, then you would already know the recommended way to deal with fans and we wouldn't be engaging in this stupid dialogue. It's very obvious that you, as of yet, have received absolutely no training in the rules, their application and the proper mechanics to be used. Furthermore, believe it or not, actually owning copies of the appropriate rule and case books and being able to refer to them would cut down immensely on the completely wrong and misleading answers that you insist on posting.

Okay, let's change the subject. I belong to about 10 associations. I bet in my entire career of officiating, I have refereed over 10,000 games. I have never called a technical foul on a fan, never. Will I ever call a technical foul on a fan and feel justified in doing so, yes! If, in a JV game, the HC is sitting in the stands and after making a call, the HC tells me from the stands, you will never referee another game in my gym. Well, since I'm not going to referee anymore games in this gym, I might as well go out with a bang! Whack! Technical foul on the fan, charge it to the home team. Fill out paperwork after the game.

I'm done. I didn't expect to change your mind anywhere along the line,

Perhaps the smartest thing you have said in this thread. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. We can agree to disagree. Well, maybe not. You have to be right. Me, I just have to make the right call at the right time. My judgement.

but I sureashell also didn't want any new official reading this thread to think for a second that anything that you recommended should ever actually be tried.

This is where you are wrong. Officials new or old should embrace anything that makes them better. With the stiff competion of trying to move up the ladder. Officials should look for ways to set themselves apart from the crowd, the others. IOW, be different but be good. IOW, embrace new ways of thinking, new ways of looking at a old problem.

Your arguement of trying to teach/protect new officials is so old. This is everybody's out when they put their foot in mouth and can't get it out, on this forum. It's now all about the new officials. Well, I was argueing about the rule, not about new officials. However, I will say this about this extended dialog. This is about two old officials that refuses to give in. You say tomato, I say tomotto. You say the book says you can't call a technical. I say the book says you can. As long as those words remain typed in the book, I will continue to believe you can and when the condition is just right. Technical foul on the fan!!!!!!

Don't forget to take your medication.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Okay, let's change the subject. I belong to about 10 associations. I bet in my entire career of officiating, I have refereed over 10,000 games.

Wow!!!!!

I think that you stated before that you started officiating back in 1990 iirc. So that would be......carry the two, minus three.....about 16 years ago. Correct? I'm not that good with the new math. Soooooo, if you have done over 10,000 games in your illustrious career, that would mean.....lemmee see here.......10,000 divided by 16 = oh, an absolute minimum of 625 games a year. Through rain, hail, sleet or snow, Old School has made it to his approximate 2 games a day, every single day of the year, folks. Geeze, OS, even God took Sunday off. Don't you even get just a little bit tired?

And 10(ten) associations too? Gee, I know whole states that don't have 10 association in 'em.

I apologize for ever doubting you, Old School. Aamof, I'm going to put you in for Official of the Year.

We are not worthy......

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wow!!!!!

I think that you stated before that you started officiating back in 1990 iirc. So that would be......carry the two, minus three.....about 16 years ago. Correct? I'm not that good with the new math. Soooooo, if you have done over 10,000 games in your illustrious career, that would mean.....lemmee see here.......10,000 divided by 16 = oh, an absolute minimum of 625 games a year. Through rain, hail, sleet or snow, Old School has made it to his approximate 2 games a day, every single day of the year, folks. Geeze, OS, even God took Sunday off. Don't you even get just a little bit tired?

And 10(ten) associations too? Gee, I know whole states that don't have 10 association in 'em.

I apologize for ever doubting you, Old School. Aamof, I'm going to put you in for Official of the Year.

We are not worthy......

When you add in AAU games, little league games where you work 6 to sometimes 8 games in a day. It's possible. I'm already over a 100 games since the start of the season, November. There are mulitple associations in my state, best to belong to all of them to get a game. There are multiple college associations, and other national associations (like AAU) that assign officials. I go wherever I can get a game.

I think you forgot to take your medication. Please, for the sake of the others, take your medication.