Venting

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

NCAA Rule - been there a long time....

Section 5. Indirect Technical Fouls for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers
Any follower(s) of a team shall be assessed an indirect technical foul for
unsportsmanlike conduct that includes but is not limited to the following:

Art. 4. Disrespectfully addressing an official, which includes the use of
profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar or obscene.
Art. 5. Using electronic transmission to communicate with those in the bench
area or passing knowledge acquired with the use of electronic instruments
(e.g., headsets, cellular telephones, modular telephones, television, radio,
Internet video or visual broadcast) to and from the bench area.

Section 6. Penalty for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers

Art. 1. The penalty for an indirect technical foul assessed to a follower(s)
shall be two free throws awarded to a player of the offended team. The ball
shall be put back in play at the point of interruption.
Art. 2. Indirect technical fouls shall not count toward the team-foul total
nor shall they be charged to any specific team member.

Please cite the applicable NFHS rule and case play also. Othere readers may want to know that also.

[deecee]

Right because there is never a "Ref you 2#$#@ suck" in a college game that the ref hears and he goes on and Ts the fan up (or home coach whatever) -- please your ability to read the rulebook is superb however your ability to apply judgement failry and equitably is horrible.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by deecee

Right because there is never a "Ref you 2#$#@ suck" in a college game that the ref hears and he goes on and Ts the fan up (or home coach whatever) -- please your ability to read the rulebook is superb however your ability to apply judgement failry and equitably is horrible.

Deecee, what are you talking about?

If, in a HS jv game I am working, the head coach is sitting in the stands watching the game, and the HC says to me after a call I just made, you will never work in my gym again. In my judgement, he has just cross the line, and if he's the A/D and the coach, his JV teams getting a technical. If that's horrible judgement to you, then I am lucky I don't have to work with you. There is code in the NFHS rules book that talks about giving the home team a technical if fans are out of control. I think this would apply, but, that's just me. Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

If, in a HS jv game I am working, the head coach is stilling in the stands watching the game, and the HC says to me after a call I just made, you will never work in my gym again. In my judgement, he has just cross the line, and if he's the A/D and the coach, his JV teams getting a technical. If that's horrible judgement to you, then I am lucky I don't have to work with you. There is code in the NFHS rules book that talks about giving the home team a technical if fans are out of control. I think this would apply, but, that's just me.

The "code" that you are talking about is NFHS case book play 2.8.1. The way that I read that case play, it doesn't really seem to agree at all with the way that you suggest handling the situation above. And....that's exactly why I asked you to cite that particular case play. I was wondering why you would ignore the advice given out by the FED in that case play. Which naturally lead to me wondering if you actually know what is contained in that case play.

So....do you know what the recommended procedure is in the case play? If so, please cite it... similar to the NCAA citation that you gave to us.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The "code" that you are talking about is NFHS case book play 2.8.1. The way that I read that case play, it doesn't really seem to agree at all with the way that you suggest handling the situation above. And....that's exactly why I asked you to cite that particular case play. I was wondering why you would ignore the advice given out by the FED in that case play. Which naturally lead to me wondering if you actually know what is contained in that case play.

So....do you know what the recommended procedure is in the case play? If so, please cite it... similar to the NCAA citation that you gave to us.

Don't have time to debate your nonsense. I have bigger fish to fry. Do whatever you think is the right thing to do here. I know what I'm going to do. Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Do whatever you think is the right thing to do here.

For the record, the right thing is not to do what Old School suggested above. If you don't like what someone in the crowd is doing or saying, have them ejected by game management. If you can't find game management, use the head coach of the home team. Never issue a technical foul to anyone in the crowd except as a very,very last resort.

That is the recommended NFHS procedure.

[SmokeEater]

I concur with this!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For the record, the right thing is not to do what Old School suggested above. If you don't like what someone in the crowd is doing or saying, have them ejected by game management. If you can't find game management, use the head coach of the home team. Never issue a technical foul to anyone in the crowd except as a very,very last resort. That is the recommended NFHS procedure.

For the record, the NCAA has also given me a procedure to use. For the record, as in the case I was referring too. What are you going to do Mr. Knowitall, when the person responsible for game management is the person (someone in the crowd) in the stands that is causing the problem? Had this happen in a game too. Now what?

Because I know you never think outside the box. What do you think game management is going to do to Mark Cuban or the owner of the team. The person that pays game management their checks at the end of the night. It happened! I'm not advocating giving a team a technical everytime a fan says something that I don't like. I'm just saying there are options. I like to know all my options before I make a decision. And remember, I said after the coach made his smart remark; "Okay, I going to mention that comment to the A/D!" I think those words would have ended anymore smart remarks from the coach in that game.

Last, I have not had a fan go completely crazy on me. I have always been able to calm the fans down with a verbal warning. Never have had to get game management to remove anyone. However, I will say this. I don't put nothing by no fan. Remember, fans in NY or might have been Chicago attacked a base coach from Kansas City. Where was game management?

[blindmanwalking]

Originally Posted by Old School

Deecee, what are you talking about?

If, in a HS jv game I am working, the head coach is sitting in the stands watching the game, and the HC says to me after a call I just made, you will never work in my gym again. In my judgement, he has just cross the line, and if he's the A/D and the coach, his JV teams getting a technical. If that's horrible judgement to you, then I am lucky I don't have to work with you. There is code in the NFHS rules book that talks about giving the home team a technical if fans are out of control. I think this would apply, but, that's just me. Peace

If this head coach is sitting in the stands during a JV game he is not part of the bench and should be treated as any other spectator unless he is the game administrator, which, in my experience, is very rare. He doesn't get any more attention from me than any other fan. Definitely not a T. That would be looking for trouble.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Please cite the applicable NFHS rule and case play also. Othere readers may want to know that also.

I'll leave that up to you Mr. Knowitall, since you are the one requesting it. I've prove my point. Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'll leave that up to you Mr. Knowitall, since you are the one requesting it. I've prove my point.

Me too. You still don't own an NFHS rule book or case book, do you?