Venting

[deecee]

Old I really would like some specifics on where and what level you do -- because even I am flabbergasted -- The only way I could see myself giving fans a T was if they were throwing stuff onto the court and WE had already asked them to stop via the PA system by the Head coach or game management. But fans getting a T from what I have been taught is a HUGH NONO -- and that is coming from NBA, D1, D2 top HS officials, assignors the works. The FANS have to earn that technical 3 or 4 times over before they actually get it. Just what I have been told.

[mplagrow]

I agree. I've never seen it called in about 1000 games I've reffed or coached. I've HEARD of it being called once, and that was a fiasco that never should have happened and should never be repeated.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

I agree. I've never seen it called in about 1000 games I've reffed or coached. I've HEARD of it being called once, and that was a fiasco that never should have happened and should never be repeated.

That must have been the ONE game OS was reffing.

I swore to myself I would never enter into one of these but I can't resist anymore.

[IREFU2]

I have only done this one time in my career as an official. It was a Girls Varsity Summer Camp and the fan was a parent of one of the players. He was being very nasty and sitting behind the table on the second row. The table was complaining and I asked him to be removed and since it was a camp, they wouldnt do it. So, I spoke with the coach of the team that his daughter played on. I told the coach that he could earn a "t" for his fan. The coached talked with him and he said the hell with the F@#$ing officials out loud. So we "t" the coach and then the coach asked him to leave or his daughter was on the bench for the rest of the season. Needless to say, he left. Of course those that dont know the rule gave me a hard time about that later on when they heard about it!!!

[deecee]

i agree with you IREF in this case -- you had no choice -- but great job of the coach to own up and at least offer some kind of threat to remedy the situation -- most coaches would have b*tched about it and earned #2.

[Old School]

NCAA Rule - been there a long time....

Section 5. Indirect Technical Fouls for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers
Any follower(s) of a team shall be assessed an indirect technical foul for
unsportsmanlike conduct that includes but is not limited to the following:

Art. 4. Disrespectfully addressing an official, which includes the use of
profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar or obscene.
Art. 5. Using electronic transmission to communicate with those in the bench
area or passing knowledge acquired with the use of electronic instruments
(e.g., headsets, cellular telephones, modular telephones, television, radio,
Internet video or visual broadcast) to and from the bench area.

Section 6. Penalty for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers

Art. 1. The penalty for an indirect technical foul assessed to a follower(s)
shall be two free throws awarded to a player of the offended team. The ball
shall be put back in play at the point of interruption.
Art. 2. Indirect technical fouls shall not count toward the team-foul total
nor shall they be charged to any specific team member.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

NCAA Rule - been there a long time....

Section 5. Indirect Technical Fouls for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers
Any follower(s) of a team shall be assessed an indirect technical foul for
unsportsmanlike conduct that includes but is not limited to the following:

Art. 4. Disrespectfully addressing an official, which includes the use of
profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar or obscene.
Art. 5. Using electronic transmission to communicate with those in the bench
area or passing knowledge acquired with the use of electronic instruments
(e.g., headsets, cellular telephones, modular telephones, television, radio,
Internet video or visual broadcast) to and from the bench area.

Section 6. Penalty for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers

Art. 1. The penalty for an indirect technical foul assessed to a follower(s)
shall be two free throws awarded to a player of the offended team. The ball
shall be put back in play at the point of interruption.
Art. 2. Indirect technical fouls shall not count toward the team-foul total
nor shall they be charged to any specific team member.

Please cite the applicable NFHS rule and case play also. Othere readers may want to know that also.

[deecee]

Right because there is never a "Ref you 2#$#@ suck" in a college game that the ref hears and he goes on and Ts the fan up (or home coach whatever) -- please your ability to read the rulebook is superb however your ability to apply judgement failry and equitably is horrible.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Please cite the applicable NFHS rule and case play also. Othere readers may want to know that also.

I'll leave that up to you Mr. Knowitall, since you are the one requesting it. I've prove my point. Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

NCAA Rule - been there a long time....

Section 5. Indirect Technical Fouls for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers
Any follower(s) of a team shall be assessed an indirect technical foul for
unsportsmanlike conduct that includes but is not limited to the following:

Art. 4. Disrespectfully addressing an official, which includes the use of
profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar or obscene.
Art. 5. Using electronic transmission to communicate with those in the bench
area or passing knowledge acquired with the use of electronic instruments
(e.g., headsets, cellular telephones, modular telephones, television, radio,
Internet video or visual broadcast) to and from the bench area.

Section 6. Penalty for Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Followers

Art. 1. The penalty for an indirect technical foul assessed to a follower(s)
shall be two free throws awarded to a player of the offended team. The ball
shall be put back in play at the point of interruption.
Art. 2. Indirect technical fouls shall not count toward the team-foul total
nor shall they be charged to any specific team member.

Just for the record, here is what Old School very conveniently left out above. It is the procedure that the NCAA recommends and is the one that should be used in the situation that we are discussing. Please note that it is basically similar to the recommended NFHS recommendation also. I'll post it now because I don't think that Old School is about to cite the NFHS case play.

NCAA RULE 10-6-6: "When the misconduct of a follower(s) is extreme or excessive, such behavior may be penalized by the official requesting home-management to eject from the premises the team follower(s) involved in the misbehavior. In such case, an indirect foul shall NOT be assessed."

What Old School did above was akin to issuing a manual without the instructions.

That's been there a long time too, Old School.