Basket interference, T or nothing?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Cool....but you're the one that tried to introduce a dunk when there wasn't one involved. Case book play 10.3.4(b) is close to the play described in the original post. That case play does not reference a dunk in any way. The original play did not involve a dunk either. Pulling the ring down during a dunk was never germane or relevant to the proper ruling.

Originally Posted by kycat1

A1 on a fast break, goes up for a dunk but loses the ball near the top of his dunking action above the height of the rim but outside the plane of the rim. He brings his hand forward anyway like he was going to dunk the ball and grasps the rim breifly enough to pull it down a few inches.

The OP by kycat1 involves an attempted dunk.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

The OP by kycat1 involves an attempted dunk.

The OP said that dunker LOST control of the ball BEFORE the dunk. There was NEVER a dunk in the original post. There was a loose ball when the player grabbed the ring.

Sooooo....answers now?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The OP said that dunker LOST control of the ball BEFORE the dunk. There was NEVER a dunk in the original post. There was a loose ball when the player grabbed the ring.

Sooooo....answers now?

Same as before.

And incidentally, I said my assignors/evaluators would laugh me out of the gym, not you. I'm sure you'd be able to scare them into nodding in agreement.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The OP said that dunker LOST control of the ball BEFORE the dunk. There was NEVER a dunk in the original post. There was a loose ball when the player grabbed the ring.

Sooooo....answers now?

So, a player going for a layup that has the ball slip off his hand at the last 2nd was never really shooting?

The player was attempting to dunk. At some point in EVERY dunk attempt, the ball comes off the shooter's hand and becomes a loose ball. Most times, it continues down through the net or bounces off the back of the rim. Whether the separation between the hand and the ball occurs as the hand contacts the rim or 0.05 seconds before is not important. It is still a dunk attempt.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, a player going for a layup that has the ball slip off his hand at the last 2nd was never really shooting?

The player might be in the act of shooting, but he sureasheck isn't able to meet the definition of a "dunk" as in rule 4-16. At no time in the original post, was the player driving, forcing, pushing or attempting to force a ball through the basket with his hand(s). The player lost control of the ball before any of those acts according to the description in the OP.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The player might be in the act of shooting, but he sureasheck isn't able to meet the definition of a "dunk" as in rule 4-16. At no time in the original post, was the player driving, forcing, pushing or attempting to force a ball through the basket with his hand(s). The player lost control of the ball before any of those acts according to the description in the OP.

I disagree. The player in the OP and the last question I asked you was doing exactly this.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

I disagree. The player in the OP and the last question I asked you was doing exactly this.

How can a player be attempting to force a ball through the basket with his hand(s) when he doesn't have a ball?

'Splain that one to me, Batman.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How can a player be attempting to force a ball through the basket with his hand(s) when he doesn't have a ball?

'Splain that one to me, Batman.

The situation is this:

A player attempting to dunk, ball in hand, at a specific point in time -- who then no longer has the ball, but is now at the basket, a split-second later.

You assert that the grabbing of the rim associated with a normal dunking motion - that begins with a dunking attempt - and follow-through in this split-second later is a separate and punishable act in violation of 10-3-4.

I assert that this grabbing is not a separate act.

We simply disagree.

So is what I posted in post #18 accurate, as far as your ruling in that situation?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The OP said that dunker LOST control of the ball BEFORE the dunk. There was NEVER a dunk in the original post. There was a loose ball when the player grabbed the ring.

Indulge me:
A1 attempts to dunk the ball. While the ball is still in A1's hand, on its downward dunking motion, and still just completely outside the cylinder, B1 cleanly strips the ball from A1. A1's hand that just had the ball outside the cylinder, still moving in a downward, normal-speed dunking motion, contacts and brings down the moveable ring of the basket on the follow-through.

Jurassic's call: Technical foul for violation of 10-3-4 (and not meeting the requirement of the 10-3-4-Exception)???