Backcourt violation...maybe

[reffish]

A1 is dribbling ball from BC to FC. A1 gets trapped by B1 and B2 at half court and sideline in FC. A1 does not go in BC, sees A2 on other side of jump circle, leans away from B1 and B2 and bounces ball to A2. Ball leaves hands, bounces in BC, bounces in FC and then A2 catches ball in FC. Call BC or play on?

[mick]

Originally Posted by reffish

A1 is dribbling ball from BC to FC. A1 gets trapped by B1 and B2 at half court and sideline in FC. A1 does not go in BC, sees A2 on other side of jump circle, leans away from B1 and B2 and bounces ball to A2. Ball leaves hands, bounces in BC, bounces in FC and then A2 catches ball in FC. Call BC or play on?

Team A ball achieved front court.
Ball achieved back court, Then achieved front court.
Team A was first to touch ball, after ball achieved back court.
Back court violation.
Team B throw-in.

[reffish]

Did the ball acheive FC by touching FC? If so, how can you have BC if ball is in FC? Ref: 4-4 Art 2

[mick]

Originally Posted by reffish

Did the ball acheive FC by touching FC? If so, how can you have BC if ball is in FC? Ref: 4-4 Art 2

Yes, exactly.
The ball was touched by A in the front court, so that is where the throw-in for the back court violation would be given to Team B.

[Mountaineer]

Wasn't there another post with this exact question on it last week?

In Fed. the ball went into the back court - once it goes into back court, team A cannot be the first to touch. According to the way I read the rule, ball position has nothing to do with a BC violation - team A cannot be "first to touch" once the ball goes BC.

I don't personally agree with this, but that's the way the rule reads to me and the way I'd call the situation.

[reffish]

So, it does not matter that the ball bounced in FC , thus re-establishing FC status and then A2 touching ball in the FC? I understand if the ball only touches BC and then A2 touches ball. That is BC. According to Rule 4-4 Art. 2, the ball is FC if the ball touches FC. If ball is FC, how can the BC violation be called?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by reffish

A1 is dribbling ball from BC to FC. A1 gets trapped by B1 and B2 at half court and sideline in FC. A1 does not go in BC, sees A2 on other side of jump circle, leans away from B1 and B2 and bounces ball to A2. Ball leaves hands, bounces in BC, bounces in FC and then A2 catches ball in FC. Call BC or play on?

Violation. This was used in camps I went to help illustrate the over-and-back rule. It's a great example.

[reffish]

Clarify for me how it is BC if ball acheived FC status then A2 touched ball in FC.

[reffish]

Okay, this thought came up right now. If A1 is trapped in FC next to half court line, bounces ball to A2. The ball is bounced in BC parallel to the half court line and A2, while standing in FC, retreives ball in mid-air, after it has bounced in BC, never touching FC. The ball's last location was BC, player is FC, therefore, BC violation. Right?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by reffish

Okay, this thought came up right now. If A1 is trapped in FC next to half court line, bounces ball to A2. The ball is bounced in BC parallel to the half court line and A2, while standing in FC, retreives ball in mid-air, after it has bounced in BC, never touching FC. The ball's last location was BC, player is FC, therefore, BC violation. Right?

Reffish, please re-read my last two posts. The ball's location, the player's location are irrelevant!!!

Who touched it last before it went into the backcourt?
Who touched it first after it went into the backcourt?

If the answer to both those questions is Team A, then it's a violation.