"You can't coach"

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

I almost forgot...

I went early and watched the freshman game, sitting near our team's bench. Our coach was mad about something, and after getting his comments out, the official looked right at him and calmly said "I respect your opinion" and hustled away.

That's good game management, in my opinion.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I almost forgot...

I went early and watched the freshman game, sitting near our team's bench. Our coach was mad about something, and after getting his comments out, the official looked right at him and calmly said "I respect your opinion" and hustled away.

That's good game management, in my opinion.

That's a lack of balls imo.

Which explains why you're a coach and I'm an official......

What's the difference between your coach "getting his comments out" and the official that you're b!tching about "getting his comments out"? Why is one OK and the other one wrong?

[rockyroad]

So the coach was an a$$...that doesn't mean that we as officials get to be a$$es too...T the coach and then stay away from him/her. There is NO reason for that official to have gone over there and made those types of comments - and A Penn. Coach has been posting here long enough for me to take what he says at face value...like it or not, we are held to a higher standard than coaches - at least as far as what we can say during games. If I don't like what the coach is saying/doing, I can deal with it in the proper way - this official chose to handle it in a totally improper way!

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So the coach was an a$$...that doesn't mean that we as officials get to be a$$es too...T the coach and then stay away from him/her. There is NO reason for that official to have gone over there and made those types of comments - and A Penn. Coach has been posting here long enough for me to take what he says at face value...like it or not, we are held to a higher standard than coaches - at least as far as what we can say during games. If I don't like what the coach is saying/doing, I can deal with it in the proper way - this official chose to handle it in a totally improper way!

Who are you arguing with? I can't find any post in this thread that suggests otherwise.

[Texas Aggie]

PA coach: did you by any chance post this on a coaches forum highlighting the behavior of the coach(es)?

Just wondering.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

PA coach: did you by any chance post this on a coaches forum highlighting the behavior of the coach(es)?

Just wondering.

I would guess not, Texas Aggie.
I think Pa Coach likes us more better.
He merely made an actual observation and he shared it.

[orangeump]

why are we responding to this? some coach comes on the OFFICIALSFORUM and starts telling us some bogus story?

doesnt ask a question or anything and we are all responding to it saying how bad the comments are. who cares? let the school, the state or the officials that worked the game deal with it!!!!!

There was no question asked and a one sided story given, dont respond to this. Then again, just like every other thread, there has to be someone in there that hijacks it with a "similiar" war story involving the time they teched a varsity coach during a JV game or some other crap.

some people are absurd.

[REFVA]

I'm going to turn to the bench, pick a player, and tell him to go check himself into the game. Then, when the coach asks me why I've done this, I'm gonna say that since he was tryint to referee, I thought I'd try coaching for a little bit

That is so funny. I'm going to use it next time on the court. That will get some laughs.. I love that comment.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So the coach was an a$$...that doesn't mean that we as officials get to be a$$es too...T the coach and then stay away from him/her. There is NO reason for that official to have gone over there and made those types of comments - and A Penn. Coach has been posting here long enough for me to take what he says at face value...like it or not, we are held to a higher standard than coaches - at least as far as what we can say during games. If I don't like what the coach is saying/doing, I can deal with it in the proper way - this official chose to handle it in a totally improper way!

I agree with you about the official, but I do not have to like the double standard. Should officials not say things like this? Of course they should not. But I will say I am a little tired of all the complaining about what officials do and coaches are allowed to call us everything short of a child of God and we as officials are always suppose to sit back and do nothing.

Also this is not about for me how long Penn. Coach has been here or how liked he is. If he is so concerned about the professionalism of the official, he should be more offended by the behavior of the coach who did not have to say anything to this official. If you say or do certain things, you will get responses that may or may not be right as it relates to professionalism, but are to be expected. Like Chris Rock said, "I might not agree...but I understand."

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

nothing.

Also this is not about for me how long Penn. Coach has been here or how liked he is. If he is so concerned about the professionalism of the official, he should be more offended by the behavior of the coach who did not have to say anything to this official.

Agree. Two wrongs don't make a right.

And neither of those is really any different than a coach "getting his comments out" either imo. If a coach wants to ask a question about a call, play, etc. in a civil manner, fine. He should receive an answer, and be shown the same respect while doing so. If a coach wants to comment on the officiating however, then he's got no complaint at all if he gets his yappy butt "T"d up. It's NO different than an official commenting on the coach. Neither should be done.

[j51969]

When I first started officiating I had a veteran official tell me to treat most coaches like I would one of my kids. Not out of disrespect. Keep a calm voice, administer any penelty ( T or other foul ), try and bring them to your level, not raise to thier level. Walk away if you have to. Most coaches will respect you for your professionalism in the end. Don't take anything personally. Sometimes it's hard, but in the end it's 99% worth it. This is suppose to fun for us too!

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by j51969

When I first started officiating I had a veteran official tell me to treat most coaches like I would one of my kids.

Does this mean that you don't wear beltless pants?

[Ref Daddy]

A tough situation that got entirely out of hand. I bet all party's could play the game tape backwards and find the roots of this dialogue that made both coach and referee look less than professional in the eyes of the players and fans.

This makes me further appreciate my ability to call a "T" on a coach that is effecting my ability to call the best game I can - BEFORE it grows nasty.

Sorry PA Coach - if the offending referee is any good at all - I'm certian that (s)he regrets the outcome.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

A tough situation that got entirely out of hand. I bet all party's could play the game tape backwards and find the roots of this dialogue that made both coach and referee look less than professional in the eyes of the players and fans.

This makes me further appreciate my ability to call a "T" on a coach that is effecting my ability to call the best game I can - BEFORE it grows nasty.

Sorry PA Coach - if the offending referee is any good at all - I'm certian that (s)he regrets the outcome.

p-a-r-t-i-e-s

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree with you about the official, but I do not have to like the double standard. Should officials not say things like this? Of course they should not. But I will say I am a little tired of all the complaining about what officials do and coaches are allowed to call us everything short of a child of God and we as officials are always suppose to sit back and do nothing.

Also this is not about for me how long Penn. Coach has been here or how liked he is. If he is so concerned about the professionalism of the official, he should be more offended by the behavior of the coach who did not have to say anything to this official. If you say or do certain things, you will get responses that may or may not be right as it relates to professionalism, but are to be expected. Like Chris Rock said, "I might not agree...but I understand."

Peace

There is absolutely a double standard. I don't think it is right or fair. It does exist without a doubt. Somehow over the years it has become okay for coaches to get away from their role as teacher and become advocate. It is understandable that coaches are going to make unnecessary comments from time to time--they have an investment in the outcome of the game while the officials do not. It doesn't make it right, and I'm certainly not defending the actions of the coaches. Who says I wasn't offended by the actions of the coaches? I just didn't focus on that because this is an officials' forum.

If I were to rank the actions of this official among the actions of all adults' actions I've seen at basketball games, it wouldn't be #1--not even in the top 1000--but it is the poorest thing I've ever heard an official say. That's why I thought it would be of interest to this forum. For those of you who got that, cool. For those of you who didn't, that's cool too. No need to rip me or my integrity (orangeump).