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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 05:59am
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I agree. Towards the end of a game when intentionally fouling the opponents is likely to occur, there should at least be some semblance of trying to play the ball. In the case you describe the foul was clearly intentional and should be called. Not calling it gives an unfair advantage to the fouling team.
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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 07:48am
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I think the perception that it only occurs in the final minute by a team trailing is wrong as well. I called one on a 2 handed jersey pull a few games ago and another when a player shoved a shooter underneath in the hip with one hand. The 'defender' never left her feet or tried to make a defensive play. Neither of these calls were in the final minute.
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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 07:51am
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From the beginning to the end of a game, when does a player accidentally have a fist full of jersey?
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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 08:16am
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From the beginning to the end of a game, when does a player accidentally have a fist full of jersey?
Amen!

It used to be an automatic intentional foul call under both NCAA and NFHS rules.

The POE written by the FED in the 2000-01 rulebook was never rescinded as far as I know----Acts that must be deemed intentional include grabbing/holding a player by the jersey in order to impede their progress".

But........
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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 09:51am
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I think in general officials are afraid to pull the trigger to make this call. Not sure why, but I have noticed in the last 3 seasons I have called almost all the intentional fouls in my games when they took place. I had a game where it happened to be on TV and there was a call during a transition period and in my opinion a pretty obvious intentional foul, but it was not called. I was so far away and second on the whistle so I let my partner take it. I was asked later by one of my mentors was I thinking intentional and in his opinion based on what he saw it was a clear intentional foul. I just think guys are afraid they might play a bigger role in a game than they want to. So you do not get a lot of intentional foul calls as a result.

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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 10:33am
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I agree, the intentional foul (and sometimes the Technical) is not used properly. I don't think we should ever be afraid to call the intentional fouls if we see them. But I often look at games and se fouls I belive should be intentional. Swedish referees are usually very good at calling the holding of jerseys. Mainly becuse we were told to call this harder a few years ago.
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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 10:34am
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Yeah, I don't understand the reluctance to call the IF either. Easpecially when you know that they are fouling to stop the clock and the player does something that is obviously not making a play on the basketball. I have yet to understand why this call is so "taboo".
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Old Tue Jan 16, 2007, 10:49am
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Intentional. Does it have equal "weight" if
1) defensive player is aggressive when opponent trying to score
2) defensive player wants to stop the clock aginst an opponent that wants it running.

The rules are clear. The determination is the extent the defender goes/does not go - for the ball
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