Wild ending -- video review -- MN-SDSU women

[womens_hoops]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So why weren't the lights sync'ed-up with the clock?

I don't get that either. Apparently there is some lag time. The clock goes to 0.0, and it sends a signal to the horn and light, but sending that signal takes a split second.

In fact, that's why they changed the rule in 2004 to go by the clock rather than the light.

Originally Posted by NCAA

The rationale is that using the reading of 0.0 when it's visible on the monitor, which indicates that the game has ended, factors out the time lag that occurs when that reading sends an impulse that triggers the mechanisms in the light and the horn.

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/story/7319659

[M&M Guy]

Which replays did the refs use on the floor? Did they access to the same view as the last clip? Or did they have some view that may not have shown the clock? I've always wondered what replays are actually available tableside in a situation like this, and who controls what is able to be viewed.

At least the MN coach said the right things in the article: "It wasn't so much a last-second play," said Borton. "It was the 16 turnovers in the first half, it was shooting 48 percent from the free-throw line. It was all those other things."

[womens_hoops]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Which replays did the refs use on the floor? Did they access to the same view as the last clip? Or did they have some view that may not have shown the clock?

that's a good question. I've seen three angles:

(1) the MN scout cam, from high center court. From this angle, you just can't tell.
(2) the sideline cam from the TV feed, where you can see the light, but only part of the clock. From this angle, it looks like she beat the light, but you can't see the clock.
(3) the far baseline angle from the TV feed, where you can see both. From this angle, you can see the ball in her hand at 0.0, but it looks like it's out by the time the light comes on.

I don't know which they had. Regardless, from postgame quotes in the original link posted, it sounds like Morningstar relied on the LED light rather than the clock.

[RookieDude]

A couple things:

1) I'm surprised no one here has discussed all three officials with their backs turned to the players and court. That's the thing that jumped out at me...even though the game was over, the officials still have jurisdiction...and a lot of things could have happened with no officials' "eyes on path".

2) So that's where Rod Simmons went (the reporter for the Ch. 5 MN news) He used to be a local boy here in Eastern Washington...then moved on to the Seattle area.

[BayStateRef]

Assume this game is played under high school rules. The throw-in with 3.5 seconds from the end-line is deflected out-of-bounds at the division line by the defense. Are we really going to give the ball back to the offense at the original throw-in spot -- with one second having run off the clock?

We had a long chat about this play a few weeks back: Rule Relapse - Please Help

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Assume this game is played under high school rules. The throw-in with 3.5 seconds from the end-line is deflected out-of-bounds at the division line by the defense. Are we really going to give the ball back to the offense at the original throw-in spot -- with one second having run off the clock?

We had a long chat about this play a few weeks back: Rule Relapse - Please Help

Was the defense standing OOB, or did she knock the ball OOB?
If she was standing OOB, then do the throw in at the original spot with the original time on the clock. Time should not have run off. If she was standing inbounds but knocked it out, then new spot and time.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Was the defense standing OOB, or did she knock the ball OOB?
If she was standing OOB, then do the throw in at the original spot with the original time on the clock. Time should not have run off. If she was standing inbounds but knocked it out, then new spot and time.

Oops...you are right. The defender is inbounds and knocks the pass OOB. Different scenario.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Assume this game is played under high school rules. The throw-in with 3.5 seconds from the end-line is deflected out-of-bounds at the division line by the defense. Are we really going to give the ball back to the offense at the original throw-in spot -- with one second having run off the clock?

We had a long chat about this play a few weeks back: Rule Relapse - Please Help

Not me...divsion line throw-in by the original throw-in team.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Assume this game is played under high school rules. The throw-in with 3.5 seconds from the end-line is deflected out-of-bounds at the division line by the defense. Are we really going to give the ball back to the offense at the original throw-in spot -- with one second having run off the clock?

We had a long chat about this play a few weeks back: Rule Relapse - Please Help

That is for a ball contacted by a player that is OOB, not a ball knocked out by a player inbounds...big difference.