What the heck do you call????

[FishinRef]

I agree with Snaq & Jurassic.

No basket for Team B - A's shot was not a legitimate shot attempt.
Ball is dead immediately after the foul.
Team A will shoot 1/1 or 2 depending on the foul count.
Clock may be reset if officials had definite knowledge of the exact time when the foul was called.

[FrankHtown]

Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.

According to the post, she dribble, shot, and got her own rebound, then shot again. It didn't say she dribble again and shot. Not a double dribble but maybe traveling with the ball, because you can't pass the ball to yourself. Traveling violation stops the clock, no foul ever occurred. Team B ball underneath. Owe, unless foul is flagrant or intentional, fouls after the ball is dead is ignored.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by Old School

According to the post, she dribble, shot, and got her own rebound, then shot again. It didn't say she dribble again and shot. Not a double dribble but maybe traveling with the ball, because you can't pass the ball to yourself. Traveling violation stops the clock, no foul ever occurred. Team B ball underneath. Owe, unless foul is flagrant or intentional, fouls after the ball is dead is ignored.

A2 does not need to dribble again...

9.5 Situation: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the ball against the opponent’s backboard or an official and catches the rebound.
Ruling: A1 has violated. Throwing the ball against an opponent’s backboard or an official constitutes another dribble, provided A1 is first to touch the ball after it strikes the official or the board. (4-15-2; Fundamental 19)

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Old School

According to the post, she dribble, shot, and got her own rebound, then shot again. It didn't say she dribble again and shot. Not a double dribble but maybe traveling with the ball, because you can't pass the ball to yourself. Traveling violation stops the clock, no foul ever occurred. Team B ball underneath. Owe, unless foul is flagrant or intentional, fouls after the ball is dead is ignored.

OS, read your rulebook, Violation - Dribble rule 9.5 Situation

It counts as a dribble if you bounce the ball off the board. Dribble one on the floor, dribble two on the backboard. I don't know how in the world you get a traveling.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.

Aaaaargh!

Good catch.

[rainmaker]

From the OP, it sounds possible that even if the ref did call the double dribble as soon as he saw it, all the rest of the action could have happened, it may not have been too late.

Also, the OP doesn't say whether the ball did or didn't go into B's basket before the horn. It says the foul was after the shot before the horn. Because of the double dribble, it doesn't matter. But suppose the double dribble hadn't happend, such as if A3 had grabbed the "rebound" and shot and been fouled by B. Then if the ball went in before the horn, it would count, even though the foul wouldn't be on the shot. How's that for confusing?

Okay, now I'm going to go pay my bills, wash my dishes and do my game.

have a nice weekend.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Also, the OP doesn't say whether the ball did or didn't go into B's basket before the horn. It says the foul was after the shot before the horn. Because of the double dribble, it doesn't matter. But suppose the double dribble hadn't happend, such as if A3 had grabbed the "rebound" and shot and been fouled by B. Then if the ball went in before the horn, it would count, even though the foul wouldn't be on the shot. How's that for confusing?

Juulie,
The foul makes the ball dead, so even if the clock stopped in time, or if the ball went in before the horn, there's no points because of the foul.

[swkansasref33]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.

Isnt it only a double dribble if the ball DOES NOT touch the rim?

Say A1 dribbles, then shoots a 3. Ball bounces off rim back to A1, who drives to the hoop and makes a layup? What's the call?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

Isnt it only a double dribble if the ball DOES NOT touch the rim?

Say A1 dribbles, then shoots a 3. Ball bounces off rim back to A1, who drives to the hoop and makes a layup? What's the call?

Irrelavant. By definition it is not even a shot since it is at the wrong basket. Player catches ball after dribbling, throws the ball up in the air towards the opponents goal (may or may not hit the backboard or rim) then catches the ball. You've got one of two things: a travel (if it didn't hit anything) or an illegal dribble (if it did hit).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

Isnt it only a double dribble if the ball DOES NOT touch the rim?

Say A1 dribbles, then shoots a 3. Ball bounces off rim back to A1, who drives to the hoop and makes a layup? What's the call?

Illegal dribble as soon as A1 caught the rebound of the missed 3. Read case book play 4.15.4SitC(a).

[swkansasref33]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Illegal dribble as soon as A1 caught the rebound of the missed 3. Read case book play 4.15.4SitC(a).

thanks.. ill get on it

[jmaellis]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Illegal dribble as soon as A1 caught the rebound of the missed 3. Read case book play 4.15.4SitC(a).

Does it matter if the shot at the opponents basket does not hit the backboard, and only hits the rim? A1 shoots at the opponent's basket, the shot rebounds off of the edge of the rim and is caught by A1. I'm asking because the rule only mentions the backboard.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

Does it matter if the shot at the opponents basket does not hit the backboard, and only hits the rim?

No, because it's not a "shot". It's considered a "dribble".

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No, because it's not a "shot". It's considered a "dribble".

Except that his point was to ask whether its a dribble if it doesn't hit the backboard but only the rim (or perhaps nothing at all....an airball). Is the rim considered part of the backboard for the purposes of this rule or is the rim simply another object floating in space? If the latter (or it was an airball), you can't have illegal dribble but you could have traveling.