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[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Once the noise quieted I hear "he was backpedalling all the way!" I say to myself, so he obviously didn't initiate the contact".

Is backpedalling considered LGP?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is backpedalling considered LGP?

No, but it's also not considered open target. LGP only applies when defender is guarding, and backpedalling takes him out of that category. He's entitled to his spot on the floor, as along as he gets there first, and legally. At the point of contact, he was there first, and he was legal. Therefore, PC.

[mick]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

No, but it's also not considered open target. LGP only applies when defender is guarding, and backpedalling takes him out of that category. He's entitled to his spot on the floor, as along as he gets there first, and legally. At the point of contact, he was there first, and he was legal. Therefore, PC.

Hmmm.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mick

Hmmm.

Me too....hmmmm....

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by mick

Hmmm.

Hhmmmm??? you think he's still guarding when he's backpedalling?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Hhmmmm??? you think he's still guarding when he's backpedalling?

err...well, I know he still has lgp while backpedalling. And yes he's still guarding, even for purposes of a 5 second closely guarded count.

Why wouldn't he be guarding or maintain lgp?

[rainmaker]

Okay, okay, I WAS WRONG!!!

But that's my outer female responding, not my inner male, so I'm not going to get vulgar about it.

I had 7th grade girls last night, so my toggles were adjusted incorrectly for the OP. I was thinking about the little girl standing just outside the key waving to her mommy, when suddenly, the shadow of a very large and fast-moving shooter looms larger over her. She cowers, steps back again, and then again and wham!! The impact is tremendous. Crack! goes her head against the floor. She wails in pain and humiliation, but her agony is short-lived as her teammates jump up and scream in congratulation and approbation! The fans go wild!! She rises tearful but victorious from the floor and walks to the bench showered with confetti and praise. Her mother quietly slips her some Tylenol for the headache.

(edited to remove vulgar comment from inner male)

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Okay, okay, I WAS WRONG!!!

But that's my outer female responding, not my inner male, so I'm not going to get vulgar about it.

I had 7th grade girls last night, so my toggles were adjusted incorrectly for the OP. I was thinking about the little girl standing just outside the key waving to her mommy, when suddenly, the shadow of a very large and fast-moving shooter looms larger over her. She cowers, steps back again, and then again and wham!! The impact is tremendous. Crack! goes her head against the floor. She wails in pain and humiliation, but her agony is short-lived as her teammates jump up and scream in congratulation and approbation! The fans go wild!! She rises tearful but victorious from the floor and walks to the bench showered with confetti and praise. Her mother quietly slips her some Tylenol for the headache.

She was never guarding, so technically never had LGP. See? that was the type of sitch I envisioned. I promise I'll never, never again think 7th grade girls when the OP is talking about something else.

Now STFU!!

Sorry, I couldn't stop him...

Maybe you can ask your inner adult to edit this response?

edit to note it's not clear that your little friend never initiated lgp from the description given.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

LGP only applies when defender is guarding, and backpedalling takes him out of that category.

I have the same question as Mick and Dan. How does backpedaling take a player out of LGP?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I have the same question as Mick and Dan. How does backpedaling take a player out of LGP?

Okay, I see, you're thinking he initially had LGP and then started backing away from dribbler/shooter.

I was thinking that he never really had LGP per se.

If he was initially guarding, and established LGP and then began to back away, yea, he still HAS LGP.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If he was initially guarding, and established LGP and then began to back away, yea, he still HAS LGP.

Worth discussing: you don't need to be "guarding" to establish lgp.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Worth discussing: you don't need to be "guarding" to establish lgp.

I suggest starting a separate thread.

That way it'll be easier for me to print out, edit and type up for an article!

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Worth discussing: you don't need to be "guarding" to establish lgp.

I'm going to disagree here.

Originally Posted by RuleBook

4-23-2 To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

By virtue of the language used in this rule, I'd say it's impossible for for someone to establish LGP without gaurding. The bolded word(s) - "guard," is being used, instead of "player," and the word "guard" means, essentially, in this case, "one who is guarding."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Okay, I see, you're thinking he initially had LGP and then started backing away from dribbler/shooter.

I was thinking that he never really had LGP per se.

If he was initially guarding, and established LGP and then began to back away, yea, he still HAS LGP.

A player who is backpeddling very likely establishes LGP in the process. Are they facing the opponent? Are they in the path? Do they ever have both feet on the floor at the same time? The answer is highly likely a yes to all three. So, LGP is it.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A player who is backpeddling very likely establishes LGP in the process. Are they facing the opponent? Are they in the path? Do they ever have both feet on the floor at the same time? The answer is highly likely a yes to all three. So, LGP is it.

This is not a requirement of LGP.