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Hartsy Fri Jan 12, 2007 09:21am

Thanks Hostile Fans
 
I'm certain it wasn't meant to be supportive, but I heard a comment from the hostile side of the crowd that confirmed to me I got one right.

During a light press, near mid court, the defensive center gets control of the ball. He's a big kid, and the only thing between him and the basket is a guy half his weight and about 2/3 his height.

He goes full tilt to the basket. The defender does a decent job of holding his ground, but really doesn't challenge the play much. BAM! Right through the little guy. TWEET! PC foul. Easy one.

Once the noise quieted I hear "he was backpedalling all the way!" I say to myself, so he obviously didn't initiate the contact". ;)

Ref Daddy Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:55am

The fans $4.00 admission alleviates their obligation to read and know the rules of basketball in order to contribute to officiating the contest.

Jway44 Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:23pm

They paid their dollar just so they could come and holler. Gotta love all of the officials in the stands at games. Funny how none of them show up for our clinic meetings, though.

Johnny Ringo Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by Hartsy
Once the noise quieted I hear "he was backpedalling all the way!" I say to myself, so he obviously didn't initiate the contact". ;)

Is backpedalling considered LGP?

rainmaker Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:41pm

I had one on Tuesday night. I called a fairly easy block/charge as a block. I'm 100% sure I was right, but the fans right behind me didn't like it. One guy says, "Funny how I've got the same angle as you and I didn't see anything." I said to him (I know, I know, we're not supposed to do this, but it was hard to resist), "Funny how if you had the same angle you'd have had to look right through me." Everyone around him laughed.

rainmaker Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
Is backpedalling considered LGP?

No, but it's also not considered open target. LGP only applies when defender is guarding, and backpedalling takes him out of that category. He's entitled to his spot on the floor, as along as he gets there first, and legally. At the point of contact, he was there first, and he was legal. Therefore, PC.

mick Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
No, but it's also not considered open target. LGP only applies when defender is guarding, and backpedalling takes him out of that category. He's entitled to his spot on the floor, as along as he gets there first, and legally. At the point of contact, he was there first, and he was legal. Therefore, PC.

Hmmm. <font>

Dan_ref Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Hmmm. <font>


Me too....hmmmm....

zebraman Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
LGP only applies when defender is guarding, and backpedalling takes him out of that category.

I have the same question as Mick and Dan. How does backpedaling take a player out of LGP?

rainmaker Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Hmmm. <font>

Hhmmmm??? you think he's still guarding when he's backpedalling?

bob jenkins Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
Is backpedalling considered LGP?

Johnny -- You have a rules book, right? When is LGP etablished? What can a player do to maintain LGP?

That will answer your question.

rainmaker Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zebraman
I have the same question as Mick and Dan. How does backpedaling take a player out of LGP?

Okay, I see, you're thinking he initially had LGP and then started backing away from dribbler/shooter.

I was thinking that he never really had LGP per se.

If he was initially guarding, and established LGP and then began to back away, yea, he still HAS LGP.

Dan_ref Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
Hhmmmm??? you think he's still guarding when he's backpedalling?

err...well, I know he still has lgp while backpedalling. And yes he's still guarding, even for purposes of a 5 second closely guarded count.

Why wouldn't he be guarding or maintain lgp?

rainmaker Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:58pm

Okay, okay, I WAS WRONG!!!

But that's my outer female responding, not my inner male, so I'm not going to get vulgar about it.

I had 7th grade girls last night, so my toggles were adjusted incorrectly for the OP. I was thinking about the little girl standing just outside the key waving to her mommy, when suddenly, the shadow of a very large and fast-moving shooter looms larger over her. She cowers, steps back again, and then again and wham!! The impact is tremendous. Crack! goes her head against the floor. She wails in pain and humiliation, but her agony is short-lived as her teammates jump up and scream in congratulation and approbation! The fans go wild!! She rises tearful but victorious from the floor and walks to the bench showered with confetti and praise. Her mother quietly slips her some Tylenol for the headache.

(edited to remove vulgar comment from inner male)

Dan_ref Fri Jan 12, 2007 01:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If he was initially guarding, and established LGP and then began to back away, yea, he still HAS LGP.

Worth discussing: you don't need to be "guarding" to establish lgp.


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