A couple questions from today's games

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1) Now, my question here: Am I remembering correctly that the coach would have been right with this argument during a game several years ago?

2) Next question: A1 gets the ball while sitting on her Dexter, and in the process of trying to pass the ball leans back and nearly lays down. Question, had she laid down, would it have been traveling?
No, she never moved her pivot cheek.

3) Third question: If the pony tail touches the floor OOB while the player is holding the ball, do you call the violation? This was in the varsity game I was watching.

1) Changed in 2002-03. Before that the 3-second count was suspended during an interrupted dribble--i.e. when the ball is loose.

2) If it's legal to sit up after laying flat on your back, I can't see why it would be illegal to reverse the process.

3) Sigh. Had to bring it up, didn't ya? It's an OOB violation. This exact play was posted on the NFHS web site last year as a case play, but it never made it into this year's case book.

[Mountaineer]

I agree with JR.

On 3 seconds, I'm assuming you are trying to talk the players out of the lane before the whistle. Also, I find it amusing on a situation where a coach is crying for 3 seconds to go to the other end and hit his team with it. Of course that call depends on if it's a legitimate 3 seconds and how much he's whining.

[Adam]

I'd talked them out of the lane all day. This time, however, there was a kid about 10 feet from the hoop, got trapped in amongst the trees, and by the time I actually started counting, the ball had been knocked loose.
I made the call, and turned to the home coach and told him I know how to count. Probably not the best thing to say, but I was tired of his bellyaching and he got the point.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'd talked them out of the lane all day. This time, however, there was a kid about 10 feet from the hoop, got trapped in amongst the trees, and by the time I actually started counting, the ball had been knocked loose.
I made the call, and turned to the home coach and told him I know how to count. Probably not the best thing to say, but I was tired of his bellyaching and he got the point.

Personally, I have no problem with what you said to the coach! Screaming for you to call 3 seconds does not constitute coaching at any level.

[Official99]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I agree with JR.

On 3 seconds, I'm assuming you are trying to talk the players out of the lane before the whistle. Also, I find it amusing on a situation where a coach is crying for 3 seconds to go to the other end and hit his team with it. Of course that call depends on if it's a legitimate 3 seconds and how much he's whining.

Why talk them out of the lane... one time "get out of the paint", if they don't move and as soon as they get the advantage (i.e. pass in their direction, set a screen, etc...) blow it and send it the other way.

At least that is the way we do it around here. Personally I hate the 3 second rule. Too many coaches use that as their all time excuse and don't understand the interpretation. If the kid is just standing in the corner of the box, not moving, no getting into any position, but standing there; there is no advantage and no reason to kill the play... anyways; I digress!

If you are at the JV level, you shouldn't have to coach the players out of the box, if they don't get it after the first "get out of the paint" warning - sorry, you lost it!

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Official99

Why talk them out of the lane... one time "get out of the paint", if they don't move and as soon as they get the advantage (i.e. pass in their direction, set a screen, etc...) blow it and send it the other way.

At least that is the way we do it around here. Personally I hate the 3 second rule. Too many coaches use that as their all time excuse and don't understand the interpretation. If the kid is just standing in the corner of the box, not moving, no getting into any position, but standing there; there is no advantage and no reason to kill the play... anyways; I digress!

If you are at the JV level, you shouldn't have to coach the players out of the box, if they don't get it after the first "get out of the paint" warning - sorry, you lost it!

If you're not going to call a player for just standing there in the corner, why not just tell him to get out? You know the coach is going to have a fit because that's the only kid he'll see on the floor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Official99

Why talk them out of the lane... one time "get out of the paint", if they don't move and as soon as they get the advantage (i.e. pass in their direction, set a screen, etc...) blow it and send it the other way.

At least that is the way we do it around here. Personally I hate the 3 second rule. Too many coaches use that as their all time excuse and don't understand the interpretation. If the kid is just standing in the corner of the box, not moving, no getting into any position, but standing there; there is no advantage and no reason to kill the play... anyways; I digress!

If you are at the JV level, you shouldn't have to coach the players out of the box, if they don't get it after the first "get out of the paint" warning - sorry, you lost it!

The kids had been actually pretty good about it. I only needed to mention it one time, and they would get out. Probably happened 2 or 3 times prior to this. Let's not assume I spent the entire time whining, "Come on guys, please get out of the lane. No, seriously, I'm going to blow my whistle. Really, I will."