offense penalized

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See case book play 9.3.2SitD. That will tell you how the offense could be penalized.

Do not have my case book with me. COuld you provide a few detail? Remeber, the defense commits a violation and the OFFENSE is penalized for that.

[deecee]

Do not have my case book with me. COuld you provdie a few detail? Remeber, the defense commits a violation and the defense is penalized for that.

you finally make sense

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by deecee

you finally make sense

I was wrong the second defense should be the offense.

Hint: The violation that the defense commits is a violation that usually only the defense commits.

[Adam]

Kick ball during an end-line throwin when the ensuing throwin spot is on the sideline rather than the endline.

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Kick ball during an end-line throwin when the ensuing throwin spot is on the sideline rather than the endline.

No, but getting close

[refnjoe]

Okay, I give. What's the rule?

[Adam]

The only other one I can think of is a double-violation on a free throw, but I doubt if that's what you're considering.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Kick ball during an end-line throwin when the ensuing throwin spot is on the sideline rather than the endline.

How is the offense being penalized? They're gaining floor position up-court. That's exactly why you don't bring the ball back to the end line....so you're not penalizing the offense.

[deecee]

if i could run the endline I would rather have that luxury -- depending how far up the sideline i was going

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How is the offense being penalized? They're gaining floor position up-court. That's exactly why you don't bring the ball back to the end line....so you're not penalizing the offense.

You're right; it's a tactical question, though. Some coaches would prefer to run the endline than to get a spot throwin 7 feet closer to home.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by d1ref2b

Do not have my case book with me. COuld you provdie a few detail? Remeber, the defense commits a violation and the defense is penalized for that.

From the case play:

The score is tied 60-60 with with four seconds remaining in the game. A1 has a fast break and is near the free throw line on his/her way to an uncontested lay-up. B5 running down the court near the sideline, intentionally runs out of bounds in the hopes of getting a leaving-the-floor violation called.
RULING: B5's intentional violation should be ignored and A1's activity should continue without interruption.COMMENT: Non-contact, away from the ball illegal defensive violations(i.e. excessively swinging the elbows, leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason) specifically designed to stop the clock near the end of a period or to take away a clear advantageous position by the offense shall be temporarily ignored. The defensive team should not benefit from the tactic. If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior.

Note the words "temporarily ignored". If it happened in the middle of a period, you delay the whistle for the violation until after A1 has scored, then whistle B5 for the violation and give team A the ball back for a throw-in.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

From the case play:

The score is tied 60-60 with with four seconds remaining in the game. A1 has a fast break and is near the free throw line on his/her way to an uncontested lay-up. B5 running down the court near the sideline, intentionally runs out of bounds in the hopes of getting a leaving-the-floor violation called.
RULING: B5's intentional violation should be ignored and A1's activity should continue without interruption.COMMENT: Non-contact, away from the ball illegal defensive violations(i.e. excessively swinging the elbows, leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason) specifically designed to stop the clock near the end of a period or to take away a clear advantageous position by the offense shall be temporarily ignored. The defensive team should not benefit from the tactic. If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior.

Note the words "temporarily ignored". If it happened in the middle of a period, you delay the whistle for the violation until after A1 has scored, then whistle B5 for the violation and give team A the ball back for a throw-in.

Hm... Comment says, "temporarily ignored", but the word "temporarily" doesn't appear in the ruling.

So if offense went down and shot just after the defender stepped out to try to stop the play, but offense missed the shot, but rebounded, would you keep delaying the violation penalty? Wait until B rebounds or steals and then call it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Hm... Comment says, "temporarily ignored", but the word "temporarily" doesn't appear in the ruling.

That's because there was only 4 seconds left in the period.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Hm... Comment says, "temporarily ignored", but the word "temporarily" doesn't appear in the ruling.

So if offense went down and shot just after the defender stepped out to try to stop the play, but offense missed the shot, but rebounded, would you keep delaying the violation penalty? Wait until B rebounds or steals and then call it?

Again, right out of the COMMENT, you call the delayed violation if time is not a factor. If the clock is gonna run out anyway, fuggedaboutit. Calling it as the clock runs out means that the call has no meaning anyway.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Again, right out of the COMMENT, you call the delayed violation if time is not a factor. If the clock is gonna run out anyway, fuggedaboutit. Calling it as the clock runs out means that the call has no meaning anyway.

Okay, that makes sense. So how long do you wait to call it?