offense penalized

[WhistlesAndStripes]

A boundary plane infraction, which results in a warning, is a violation. I don't have my books with me, but I believe it is called this specifically in the rulebook.

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

A boundary plane infraction, which results in a warning, is a violation. I don't have my books with me, but I believe it is called this specifically in the rulebook.

I believe you are correct, but is the offense penalized by this defense violation. First is a warning and second is a T.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by d1ref2b

I believe you are correct, but is the offense penalized by this defense violation. First is a warning and second is a T.

How is the offense penalized by the defense receiving a warning?

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How is the offense penalized by the defense receiving a warning?

The offense isn't penalized. However, this is not the play in question. Come on guys. You are all way to smart. I will give you a few more tries. I think it is relevant enough to warrant a rules change and have addressed it with Mary Struckhoff and our State Association.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by d1ref2b

The offense isn't penalized. However, this is not the play in question. Come on guys. You are all way to smart. I will give you a few more tries. I think it is relevant enough to warrant a rules change and have addressed it with Mary Struckhoff and our State Association.

Well, there aren't very many defensive violations. Stepping oob to get around a screen, kicking the ball, BI and GT. The only one I can think of that might be used to penalize the offense would be stepping oob to stop an imminent drive and shot, but in that case we are authorized to delay the violation call until afther the offensive play is completed.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Well, there aren't very many defensive violations. Stepping oob to get around a screen, kicking the ball, BI and GT. The only one I can think of that might be used to penalize the offense would be stepping oob to stop an imminent drive and shot, but in that case we are authorized to delay the violation call until afther the offensive play is completed.

You know, the rule book actually says we can completely ignore this violation. So even after the offensive play is completed, if a shot is made and missed, or if the ball is pulled back from the basket and not shot, sounds like ref can just ignore the violation and doesn't have to bring the ball back to where the violation was committed.

[mick]

"A player or team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule."

To answer your question: Dunno.

[deecee]

ths should get good I got my popcorn out and ready to roll...

[deecee]

WTF -- how is the offense penalized? they retain the ball -- usually when this is called its because the defender might have physically stepped over the line -- because if there is any contact its a T automatically.

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See case book play 9.3.2SitD. That will tell you how the offense could be penalized.

Do not have my case book with me. COuld you provide a few detail? Remeber, the defense commits a violation and the OFFENSE is penalized for that.

[deecee]

Do not have my case book with me. COuld you provdie a few detail? Remeber, the defense commits a violation and the defense is penalized for that.

you finally make sense

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by deecee

you finally make sense

I was wrong the second defense should be the offense.

Hint: The violation that the defense commits is a violation that usually only the defense commits.

[Adam]

Kick ball during an end-line throwin when the ensuing throwin spot is on the sideline rather than the endline.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by d1ref2b

Do not have my case book with me. COuld you provdie a few detail? Remeber, the defense commits a violation and the defense is penalized for that.

From the case play:

The score is tied 60-60 with with four seconds remaining in the game. A1 has a fast break and is near the free throw line on his/her way to an uncontested lay-up. B5 running down the court near the sideline, intentionally runs out of bounds in the hopes of getting a leaving-the-floor violation called.
RULING: B5's intentional violation should be ignored and A1's activity should continue without interruption.COMMENT: Non-contact, away from the ball illegal defensive violations(i.e. excessively swinging the elbows, leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason) specifically designed to stop the clock near the end of a period or to take away a clear advantageous position by the offense shall be temporarily ignored. The defensive team should not benefit from the tactic. If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior.

Note the words "temporarily ignored". If it happened in the middle of a period, you delay the whistle for the violation until after A1 has scored, then whistle B5 for the violation and give team A the ball back for a throw-in.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

From the case play:

The score is tied 60-60 with with four seconds remaining in the game. A1 has a fast break and is near the free throw line on his/her way to an uncontested lay-up. B5 running down the court near the sideline, intentionally runs out of bounds in the hopes of getting a leaving-the-floor violation called.
RULING: B5's intentional violation should be ignored and A1's activity should continue without interruption.COMMENT: Non-contact, away from the ball illegal defensive violations(i.e. excessively swinging the elbows, leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason) specifically designed to stop the clock near the end of a period or to take away a clear advantageous position by the offense shall be temporarily ignored. The defensive team should not benefit from the tactic. If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior.

Note the words "temporarily ignored". If it happened in the middle of a period, you delay the whistle for the violation until after A1 has scored, then whistle B5 for the violation and give team A the ball back for a throw-in.

Hm... Comment says, "temporarily ignored", but the word "temporarily" doesn't appear in the ruling.

So if offense went down and shot just after the defender stepped out to try to stop the play, but offense missed the shot, but rebounded, would you keep delaying the violation penalty? Wait until B rebounds or steals and then call it?