I partially agree with your amendment. Because currently, if following the kick ball, the next attempted throw-in resulted a held ball due to the A1 placing the ball through the plane and B1 tying him up, yes Team B would have the resulting AP throw-in.

But I think your revision should read:

...Team A would then be awarded a throw in as a result of the kicking violation by Team B, and would not lose the arrow since they did not commit a violation, as references in Rule 6-4, art 5. The resulting throw-in would still be considered an AP throw-in and the arrow will change when this throw-in ends.

As currently written Team A would lose the arrow because Team B touched the ball, albeit by kicking it.

I want the rule to be revised that the throw in ends when the ball is LEGALLY touched. Now it states that the throw in ends when the ball is touched. So if Team A is making an AP throw in and Team B kicks the initial throw, Team A now has a throw in for the violation and retains the arrow. A team can not lose the arrow unless that team violates. This is how the rule is administered in the NCAA.

I don't see a need to fix anything. Why should A benefit because they have a lousy player who can not inbound the ball so his own player is 1st to touch or posess the ball?

The rule isn't broken so no need to fix.

You penalize Team A. They lose the arrow because Team B kicked the ball. All that needs to be revised is "legally" touched ends a throw in.

d12b, see what I mean?

It is broken. A kick is not a legal touch. If it was we wouldn't have a violation for intentionally kicking the ball. Kicking is a violation. Again, throw in team can not lose the arrow unless they violate. The set of rules governing this situation are contradictory.

Unfortunately no. It is beyond having a bad player. Rules are NOT consistent on this point in NFHS.

so you are in essence saying that A will get the throw in because of the kicked ball now. When that throw in is completed, they also will keep the arrow?

What just happened ? :confused:

Yes. They are now making a throw in for the kicking violation. Since the AP throw in was not "legally" touched on the court it never ended. Team A retains the arrow for the next AP throw in

My opinion, the purpose of the arrow is to give A the throwin; not the possession. Once the throwin starts, the arrow has served its purpose. If B1kicks the ball during a normal throwin, A just gets the ball. If B1 kicks the ball during an AP throwin, you're suggesting they lose the next arrow and the ball.

I agree that they shouldn't lose the arrow as it pertains to that individual throw in. However when they succesfully complete the "2nd" throw in the arrow should be switched. By not switching the arrow you are in essence punishing be for playing defense. Yes, I agree kicking the ball is a violation, but it is still a defensive play that I don't think should be penalized doubly. Keep the arrow until you complete a throw in, but switch it at that point. IMHO

I appreciate eveyones opinion and input. I have submitted this to both the FHSAA and NFHS. We will have to wait and see.

Happy New Years to everyone. Wishing all a lenghty post season:)

What is this, a hit and run?

Hey!!! Isn't that what I said?