Officials Responsibilities on Free Throws...?

[amcginthy]

Let me start with - I'm not whining, but was very disappointed with a missed call. Missed fouls, travels, OOB to the wrong team...they happen - that's basketball - things move fast, you can't see everything, besides - they almost always equal out by the end of the game... but this I just had the hardest time taking / understanding... opposing team had 1-1 with just under 2 minutes left..... they shoot - miss the rim - BIG TIME.... ball barely touches the far left corner of the backboard - bounces right into the shooting teams hands, and then put up the second shot, make it, and get fouled. Before the girl ever caught the ball, the entire gym (at least on our side) screamed VIOLATION... I asked the ref for an explanation.... none was given. I really do get that calls will be missed - but nothing is happening during a foul shot - not many distractions - I'm not missing some obscure rule am I?? Anyway, we lost the game by 10 (not because of the missed call - because we missed 7 layups and 8 foul shots in the second half ), but this could very well have been critical (if it was say a 2 point deficit instead of 10 at the time) - So, my question I guess is... does one official watch the lane and one watch the rim? How is this managed?

thanks in advance for the insight??

Coach M,
S. Hagerstown Lady Rebels

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

Let me start with - I'm not whining, but was very disappointed with a missed call. Missed fouls, travels, OOB to the wrong team...they happen - that's basketball - things move fast, you can't see everything, besides - they almost always equal out by the end of the game... but this I just had the hardest time taking / understanding... opposing team had 1-1 with just under 2 minutes left..... they shoot - miss the rim - BIG TIME.... ball barely touches the far left corner of the backboard - bounces right into the shooting teams hands, and then put up the second shot, make it, and get fouled. Before the girl ever caught the ball, the entire gym (at least on our side) screamed VIOLATION... I asked the ref for an explanation.... none was given. I really do get that calls will be missed - but nothing is happening during a foul shot - not many distractions - I'm not missing some obscure rule am I?? Anyway, we lost the game by 10 (not because of the missed call - because we missed 7 layups and 8 foul shots in the second half ), but this could very well have been critical (if it was say a 2 point deficit instead of 10 at the time) - So, my question I guess is... does one official watch the lane and one watch the rim? How is this managed?

thanks in advance for the insight??

Coach M,
S. Hagerstown Lady Rebels

Wait, a minute, Hagerstown, Indiana? Holy Toledo!!

Send me a PM, we've got things to discuss!

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Wait, a minute, Hagerstown, Indiana? Holy Toledo!!

Send me a PM, we've got things to discuss!

Oops, does that mean YOU'RE the one who missed the call, Juulie???

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Wait, a minute, Hagerstown, Indiana? Holy Toledo!!

Send me a PM, we've got things to discuss!

Sorry, Hagerstown, MD....

[Jurassic Referee]

Coach, it's a judgement call. Having said that, I've heard a rumor that most officials are human too. And humans will miss a call. It's true, it's true....

But....in this case, none of us saw the call. How do you expect us to tell you one way or the other if the call was correct? That would be....um.... humanly impossible.

In cases like this, all you can really do is move on.

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Coach, it's a judgement call. Having said that, I've heard a rumor that most officials are human too. And humans will miss a call. It's true, it's true....

But....in this case, none of us saw the call. How do you expect us to tell you one way or the other if the call was correct? That would be....um.... humanly impossible.

In cases like this, all you can really do is move on.

Really, you guys are human... I know, and I know these refs... I've had both of them before... they're pretty good, and really nice guys. that's why I asked about there responsibilities - who watched what - I didn't know - I didn't realize they were watching the players out of the area - I '***'umed that one was supposed to specifically and only watch for that...

thanks...

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

Really, you guys are human... I know, and I know these refs... I've had both of them before... they're pretty good, and really nice guys. that's why I asked about there responsibilities - who watched what - I didn't know - I didn't realize they were watching the players out of the area - I '***'umed that one was supposed to specifically and only watch for that...

thanks...

Don't worry, Coach, these guys are just feeling touchy because of Bobby Knight and his general coach demeanor. You're fine. And if you don't feel fine about all this, PM me privately with questions. I've screwed up enough games myself that I"m sympathetic to any coach that doesn't put the words "idiot, pathetic, hopeless" in her questions.

Originally Posted by amcginthy

-appreciated...BUT I'm a HE, not a SHE... (of course, I've been called worse)

So sorry. Well, okay, Rich, JR, stack it on. Why am I defending a HE?!?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

Really, you guys are human... I know, and I know these refs... I've had both of them before... they're pretty good, and really nice guys. that's why I asked about there responsibilities - who watched what - I didn't know - I didn't realize they were watching the players out of the area - I '***'umed that one was supposed to specifically and only watch for that...

thanks...

Coach, all I'm saying is that the officials coulda screwed up that call from here to next year, but it's still impossible for us to give you any kind of definitive answer- one way or another. The only point that I'd also like to make is that if they did screw it up, there isn't really anything that anybody can do about it. It happens. And I'll let you in on a secret....if they did suspect that they blew the call, then they they probably feel worse about it than you ever can.

There. See, Juulie? I can be a nice guy too(especially when I find out that the coach is a fellow male of the masculine persuasion).

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

Sorry, Hagerstown, MD....

Rats, my dad, step-mom, step-sister, step-brother-in-law, two step-nephews, a step-niece, and step-doggie all live in Hagerstown, IN. Oh, well, I almost knew it was too good to be true.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

does one official watch the lane and one watch the rim? How is this managed?

If all you wanted to do was ask this question, then why all the other BS in your post? Are you venting at US because you think some ref shafted your team? Just ask your question. Get your hands on an NFHS Official's manual. It's got pictures and everything so you can see who is watching what.

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

If all you wanted to do was ask this question, then why all the other BS in your post? Are you venting at US because you think some ref shafted your team? Just ask your question. Get your hands on an NFHS Official's manual. It's got pictures and everything so you can see who is watching what.

I'm not venting - trust me, if I wanted to vent - I'm smart enough to find a Coaches forum for that - not here where I'll get crushed..... I just explained the situation in detail... I read posts on this forum all the time to pick things up.... when I have a question - I ask it.
Do I think that call is inexcusable to miss - yes... do I think we got shafted - No... that is why I put all the info... like I said, I read here all the time. Periodically, you guys can be pretty rough on coaches like we are the enemy - I was trying to emphasize that I wasn't treating you officials in that way. I have I think 6 books on order from the NFHS - they should be here in a few days - if I had one to consult and could have found the answer on my own - I wouldn't have asked it.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

If all you wanted to do was ask this question, then why all the other BS in your post? Are you venting at US because you think some ref shafted your team? Just ask your question. Get your hands on an NFHS Official's manual. It's got pictures and everything so you can see who is watching what.

C'mon back off. She acknowledged that the ref didn't shaft her team, she lost because of her players' short-comings. She's allowed to vent a little as long as she doesn't get insultive. You're allowed to vent, too, but calling her venting BS is close to insultive. Besides, we don't get a lot of women here. We need to help her fit in, not rough her up.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

C'mon back off. She acknowledged that the ref didn't shaft her team, she lost because of her players' short-comings. She's allowed to vent a little as long as she doesn't get insultive. You're allowed to vent, too, but calling her venting BS is close to insultive. Besides, we don't get a lot of women here. We need to help her fit in, not rough her up.

So instead of calling her a rat, I should say.....rat-ette?

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

C'mon back off. She acknowledged that the ref didn't shaft her team, she lost because of her players' short-comings. She's allowed to vent a little as long as she doesn't get insultive. You're allowed to vent, too, but calling her venting BS is close to insultive. Besides, we don't get a lot of women here. We need to help her fit in, not rough her up.

--appreciated...BUT I'm a HE, not a SHE... (of course, I've been called worse)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

C'mon back off. She acknowledged that the ref didn't shaft her team, she lost because of her players' short-comings. She's allowed to vent a little as long as she doesn't get insultive. You're allowed to vent, too, but calling her venting BS is close to insultive. Besides, we don't get a lot of women here. We need to help her fit in, not rough her up.

Whoops, Juulie, you assumed the coach was a woman. And I followed right along.