OB situation

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

You're saying the coach deliberately reaches out and touches the ball? This is unsporting conduct and 2-8-1 applies. If you mean the ball inadvertantly touches the coach, then it is out of bounds off of A1. Even if it's his own coach or fan or cheerleader or mascot or mother.

Well, that doesn't surprise me. You'd give it to the other team even though the ball could have been saved if the coach wasn't in the way. At least, you're consistent.

We still disagree.

In the other thread, why would you give it to the other team instead of calling a technical foul on the fan for being on the floor and interfering with the play, deliberately or not? Doesn't rule 2-8-1 that you cited above specifically refer to a "team follower" also?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, that doesn't surprise me. You'd give it to the other team even though the ball could have been saved if the coach wasn't in the way. At least, you're consistent.

We still disagree.

In the other thread, why would you give it to the other team instead of calling a technical foul on the fan for being on the floor and interfering with the play, deliberately or not? Doesn't rule 2-8-1 that you cited above specifically refer to a "team follower" also?

What else would you do if the ball accidentally hits a coach who is standing where he's supposed to?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

What else would you do if the ball accidentally hits a coach who is standing where he's supposed to?

If a player has a good chance to save the ball, and the coach is right on the sideline and makes absolutely no effort to get out of the way and ends up interfering with that play, I'm giving the ball back to the other team. I'll use 2-3. If it's his team however, then he deserves to loose the ball for getting in the way. I'll guarantee you though that the coach is gona be a-ducking'n'weaving if it's his player trying to save the ball. And if the ball is on the in-bounds side of the line when it hits the coach, he's getting a "T"- even if his feet are completely OOB.

That's what I'd do. Mileage may vary.

Now, Rich, where do you stand on the ball hitting a fan standing partially on the court while a player was dribbling it in-bounds? Would you give it to the other team too?

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

In the other thread, why would you give it to the other team instead of calling a technical foul on the fan for being on the floor and interfering with the play, deliberately or not? Doesn't rule 2-8-1 that you cited above specifically refer to a "team follower" also?

I'm envisioning a fan walking back to his seat, carrying a couple of hot dogs and some popcorn with his back to the action, maybe waiting for an aisle to clear so he can get back to his seat. How is this an unsporting act?

As a frame of reference, the IS8 tournament in Jamaica, NY is held in a junior high school gym, and for the HS level games the sidelines are extended toward the stands to permit 3 point shooting. The playing court extends to within 6 inches of the stands, and fans are not permitted to sit in the front row (the stands are not movable). However, it is impossible to walk to the stands without having at least one foot in the playing area.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

I'm envisioning a fan walking back to his seat, carrying a couple of hot dogs and some popcorn with his back to the action, maybe waiting for an aisle to clear so he can get back to his seat. How is this an unsporting act?

I never said it was. That's why I never, ever dreamed of giving a technical foul to a fan either. I wouldn't in either case. It doesn't matter whether the act was inadvertant or deliberate anyway imo. I'm giving the ball back to the team that was dribbling the ball in both cases because the ball wouldn't have gone OOB in either if the fan wasn't where he wasn't supposed to be.

We're beating a dead horse now, Jim. Neither of us is gonna change their mind. We just disagree, is all.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

I'm envisioning a fan walking back to his seat, carrying a couple of hot dogs and some popcorn with his back to the action, maybe waiting for an aisle to clear so he can get back to his seat. How is this an unsporting act?

A few weeks ago, a similar incident happened in an NCAA game, except an opponent interferred while on his way to the tale to report. The official gave the ball back to the team in control before the interference. Has anyone seen anything from the NCAA (maybe on the eofficials site, that I'd check if I could remember my password) as to whether this ruling was correct or not?