Fans on sideline is touched with ball

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Jim, I'd cut my own nuts off before I'd give the ball to team B in this situation.

The ball would not have gone OOB except for the fan interference. You don't penalize a team for fan interference either. Well..... I thought that you don't. Apparently, I was wrong. There's at least one official that would.

Unbelievable.......

What if the ball strikes an official straddling the OOB line?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

What if the ball strikes an official straddling the OOB line?

An official being touched by a ball is not fan interference.

Fan interference is fan interference.

Call anything that you want to. I disagree completely with you and always will.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

An official being touched by a ball is not fan interference.

Fan interference is fan interference.

Call anything that you want to. I disagree completely with you and always will.

Are you saying that the spectator walking to his/her seat constitutes fan interefence? The rules state that officials can punish unsporting conduct by team followers, not spectators merely walking to their seats.

It must be nice to always work on roomy courts where this never happens.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Are you saying that the spectator walking to his/her seat constitutes fan interefence? The rules state that officials can punish unsporting conduct by team followers, not spectators merely walking to their seats.

It must be nice to always work on roomy courts where this never happens.

Roomy courts have got nuthin' to do with nuthin'. If it happens, it happens.

I'm saying that if a player dribbles the ball, and that dribbled ball would have bounced IN-BOUNDS if the ball hadn't touched a fan who was intruding on the court, then I'd cut my nuts off before I'd give the ball to the other team. The dribbler did NOT cause the ball to go OOB. The fan DID. And I ain't penalizing a player for a fan's action. Ever.

That does make it plain enough for you, Jim?

I'm telling you how I would call it. I know how you would call it. We disagree. And that ain't gonna change.

[mbyron]

I thought that the only provision in the rules for a smaller gym had to do with a 3-foot "restraining line" for throw-ins. What else is in the rules?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I thought that the only provision in the rules for a smaller gym had to do with a 3-foot "restraining line" for throw-ins. What else is in the rules?

Division line for backcout/frontcount determination.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

What if the ball strikes an official straddling the OOB line?

Specifically covered in the rules. The rules don't anticiapte that a fan might interfere (except in the unsporting manner covered in 2-8-1 and 2.8.1) -- especially one who is partially on the court. So, use rule 2-3. I'd be inclined to treat it as an "inadvertant whistle" and, in the specific case mentioned, give the ball back to A.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Specifically covered in the rules. The rules don't anticiapte that a fan might interfere (except in the unsporting manner covered in 2-8-1 and 2.8.1) -- especially one who is partially on the court. So, use rule 2-3. I'd be inclined to treat it as an "inadvertant whistle" and, in the specific case mentioned, give the ball back to A.

So is hitting a fan.

Rule 7 Out of Bounds and the Throw-in
SECTION 1 OUT-OF-BOUNDS — PLAYER, BALL
ART. 1 . . . A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any
object other than a player, on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, see 4-35.
ART. 2 . . . The ball is out of bounds when it touches or is touched by:
a. A player who is out of bounds.
b. Any other person, the floor, or any object on or outside a boundary.
c. The supports or back of the backboard.
d. The ceiling, overhead equipment or supports.
NOTE: When the rectangular backboard is used, the ball is out of bounds if it
passes over the backboard.
SECTION 2 CAUSING THE BALL TO GO OUT OF BOUNDS - INDIVIDUAL PLAYER
ART. 1 . . . The ball is caused to go out of bounds by the last player in bounds to touch it or be touched by it, unless the ball touches a player who is out of bounds prior to touching something out of bounds other than a player.
ART. 2 . . . If the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boundary line, such player causes it to go out.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

So is hitting a fan.

Rule 7 Out of Bounds and the Throw-in
SECTION 1 OUT-OF-BOUNDS — PLAYER, BALL
ART. 1 . . . A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any
object other than a player, on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, see 4-35.
ART. 2 . . . The ball is out of bounds when it touches or is touched by:
a. A player who is out of bounds.
b. Any other person, the floor, or any object on or outside a boundary.
c. The supports or back of the backboard.
d. The ceiling, overhead equipment or supports.
NOTE: When the rectangular backboard is used, the ball is out of bounds if it
passes over the backboard.
SECTION 2 CAUSING THE BALL TO GO OUT OF BOUNDS - INDIVIDUAL PLAYER
ART. 1 . . . The ball is caused to go out of bounds by the last player in bounds to touch it or be touched by it, unless the ball touches a player who is out of bounds prior to touching something out of bounds other than a player.
ART. 2 . . . If the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boundary line, such player causes it to go out.

Jim, as an official, you've got a great future behind you.

Note the "smiley".