Out of bounds?

[rbruno]

Saw this in a Div 1 college game, but didn't see how was ruled.
Looking for NFHS ruling since I am a HS official.
Player A-1 is dribbling up the sideline and accidently hits B-1 who is out of bounds heading for the table to report in on the next dead ball. A-1 falls and loses control of the ball out of bounds.
What is the call?

[Scrapper1]

Hi Bruno,

We talked about this exact play a while back. Here's the link. Feel free to add any thoughts.

USC/Kansas OOB trip

[Dryuri2003]

We had a player shoot the ball on a layup, and miss the shot, he went out of bounds, came back in bounds, and then grabbed the ball, isnt he considered inbounds???

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dryuri2003

We had a player shoot the ball on a layup, and miss the shot, he went out of bounds, came back in bounds, and then grabbed the ball, isnt he considered inbounds???

If he has something touching inbounds, and nothing touching out of bounds, he's inbounds and remains inbounds until such time as he touches out of bounds again.

[Dryuri2003]

Ok, thanks Saddle Man.

So your saying, whether he goes out of bounds or not, he came back in bounds and re-established himself, so that means he could pick up the ball. We had an official say that because he shot the ball and he went out of bounds he could not come back in bounds and pick up the ball. We have always been taught that once you go out of bounds if you establish yourself back in bounds you can proceed to pick up the ball, no matter the event that got you there....

Is that correct?? Do you know of a rulebook online that I can review??

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dryuri2003

Ok, thanks Saddle Man.

So your saying, whether he goes out of bounds or not, he came back in bounds and re-established himself, so that means he could pick up the ball. We had an official say that because he shot the ball and he went out of bounds he could not come back in bounds and pick up the ball. We have always been taught that once you go out of bounds if you establish yourself back in bounds you can proceed to pick up the ball, no matter the event that got you there....

Is that correct?? Do you know of a rulebook online that I can review??

What you have been taught is correct. Whether there is a shot involved makes no difference. You can check out the NCAA book online; the high school book is not available online. But the rules are the same in this regard.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

What you have been taught is correct. Whether there is a shot involved makes no difference. You can check out the NCAA book online; the high school book is not available online. But the rules are the same in this regard.

Actually, the NFHS book is available online, you just have to be a member to access it. Most states include your NFHS membership with your registration.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

So... after reading 7.1.1A

what would we call if we felt the incoming substitute initiated the contact from OOB?

Say the substitute thinks the dribbler is going to fall into him and the sub then sticks out a hand to prevent the collision ... and then the dribbler subsequently falls down, loses the ball, or collides with a legal defender...

Would the team affiliation of the incoming sub make any difference in the ruling?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by DownTownTonyBrown

So... after reading 7.1.1A

what would we call if we felt the incoming substitute initiated the contact from OOB?

The only call that could be made here is an unsporting technical foul on a member of bench personnel.

Originally Posted by DownTownTonyBrown

Say the substitute thinks the dribbler is going to fall into him and the sub then sticks out a hand to prevent the collision ... and then the dribbler subsequently falls down, loses the ball, or collides with a legal defender...

If the sub interfered with a member of the opposing team during play, it is probably a T. I could see passing on it, if it was clearly not an unsporting act. If it was his own team, just call the play as if there were no contact between these two.

Originally Posted by DownTownTonyBrown

Would the team affiliation of the incoming sub make any difference in the ruling?

Darn right it would matter to me.