The "And 1"

[Nevadaref]

I call solid contact that should not be ignored. I pass on minimal contact that didn't effect the play.

Essentially, call the obvious.

[lukealex]

So you will call a foul on a shot when the ball goes it, but if the EXACT SAME THING happens and the ball doesn't go in you won't call a foul??

[BEAREF]

Or you will call a foul when the shot doesn't go in and NOTHING if the shot is made? A foul is foul...call it!

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

Or you will call a foul when the shot doesn't go in and NOTHING if the shot is made? A foul is foul...call it!

Haha that what I meant. Woops

[FrankHtown]

Not all contact is a foul.

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

Not all contact is a foul.

Yes, but this isn't the topic at hand. If contact is a foul on a missed shot, why is the same contact not a foul on a made shot?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by lukealex

Yes, but this isn't the topic at hand. If contact is a foul on a missed shot, why is the same contact not a foul on a made shot?

Couldn't be the exact same contact. Do you understand advantage/disadvantage?

As I understand the point: obvious fouls should be called. Borderline fouls should be called depending on advantage/disadvantage. That is: if the foul prevents the shot/basket, then call it. Otherwise, don't slow down the game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

Not all contact is a foul.

No, it's not. But a foul is not determined by whether a round ball goes through a medal hoop or not. If I'm wrong, plus reference the rule so I can read it.

[FrankHtown]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No, it's not. But a foul is not determined by whether a round ball goes through a medal hoop or not. If I'm wrong, plus reference the rule so I can read it.

I'm not sure I said anything about whether it had to go through the hoop or not.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

Or you will call a foul when the shot doesn't go in and NOTHING if the shot is made? A foul is foul...call it!

The shot going in (especially in the post) definitely will influence whether a foul is called at higher levels.

Sometimes we just don't know if there's a disadvantage until we see the whole picture, and that includes the shot. Slow whistles are all good, IMO.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I call solid contact that should not be ignored. I pass on minimal contact that didn't effect the play.

Essentially, call the obvious.

nothing more need be said !!!!

[Jimgolf]

I'm just going to add that if the defender hits the shooter near the elbow, the foul should be called regardless of whether the basket is made or not. Any shot made after the forearm is hit near the elbow is a miracle, and the defender should not be permitted to continue this defensive tactic without consequence. This is an attempt to cheat, pure and simple, and should not be condoned. Even the slightest of contact in this area can make a shot almost impossible to sink.

No rules reference, just my thoughts on the matter from someone who has witnessed coaches teach this reprehensible move. "Don't worry, the refs won't call it!"

[jeffpea]

I don't think you can wait to see if the shot goes in or not before you decide to call a foul or not (too much time elapses). I think the better way to judge the severity of contact is whether the offensive player continues the shooting motion relatively "freely" - that is to say: did he play thru the contact or did the contact significantly restrict the shooting motion?

You can't assume the contact made the shooter miss the shot (after all plenty of shots are missed when there is no contact at all).

[Junker]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

I don't think you can wait to see if the shot goes in or not before you decide to call a foul or not (too much time elapses). I think the better way to judge the severity of contact is whether the offensive player continues the shooting motion relatively "freely" - that is to say: did he play thru the contact or did the contact significantly restrict the shooting motion?

You can't assume the contact made the shooter miss the shot (after all plenty of shots are missed when there is no contact at all).

It depends on how you look at advantage disadvantage. Almost every D1 official I've heard or talked to at camps say to hold the whistle and see if the ball goes down. I'm not sure that is right for a HS game, but that's they way I was taught. I know I'm very patient with shooting foul calls.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Junker

It depends on how you look at advantage disadvantage. Almost every D1 official I've heard or talked to at camps say to hold the whistle and see if the ball goes down. I'm not sure that is right for a HS game, but that's they way I was taught. I know I'm very patient with shooting foul calls.

IOW, anytime you're watching a college game and the official calls a foul on a made basket, he's screwed up. Is that correct?