Double intentional foul

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Hmmm, plenty to think about here. For the first time, the notion of an intentional technical makes sense in HS rules to me now.

Good.
Here is a case book play to further illustrate JR's point.

4.19.5 SITUATION: A1 is fouled by B1. A1 subsequently pushes B1. RULING: If a foul is called on A1, it must be either an intentional or flagrant technical. If it is ruled flagrant, A1 must be disqualified. If A1's contact during a dead ball was neither intentional nor flagrant, it should have been ignored. (4-19-1 Note; 10-3-9)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

As for the two guys 20 feet from the ball going at it, I'm not sure I can see calling this a double intentional. How would this be different than two donkies going at it in the post. That's away from the ball too. Yet despite the definition of intentional foul, I think I can say that this would be universally called either a personal foul on one of the players, or a regular double foul on both.

You judge the actions of the players going at it off-ball exactly the same way that you normally judge a common personal foul vs. an intentional personal foul. If they're doing something like jockeying for position, then they're both fouling each other trying to make a "basketball" play of some kind, and you have a normal double personal foul. If instead they do something like giving each other a 2-handed push in the chest almost simultaneously or bang-bang, then you could call a double intentional personal foul. Those pushes aren't a basketball play imo.

Does that make any more sense now?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You judge the actions of the players going at it off-ball exactly the same way that you normally judge a common personal foul vs. an intentional personal foul. If they're doing something like jockeying for position, then they're both fouling each other trying to make a "basketball" play of some kind, and you have a normal double personal foul. If instead they do something like giving each other a 2-handed push in the chest almost simultaneously or bang-bang, then you could call a double intentional personal foul. Those pushes aren't a basketball play imo.

Does that make any more sense now?

Yep This has been a banner week for learning new lessons.