Grant time-out for "injured" player?

[Smitty]

Couldn't agree more with the responses so far. If the kid is having that much trouble, he should leave the court to get some help and the team should eat the "T". A small price to pay for getting some help.

[deecee]

I would not issue a T in this case -- If I had given a T and came to find out that the player needed immediate medical help I would rescind

this i like the college game last year when a coach had a heart attack or something but fainted and fell on the court - the officials gave him a T -- once I see said coach get carted off on a stretcher if I am part of that crew I say "hey lets rescind that one" and I will deal with any flak from the opposing coach -- only a real winner will whine about that one.

but why EAT a T here -- discretion please

[Jurassic Referee]

That's a kid that's done for the day too unless I see something from a doctor saying he's OK to play. Having trouble with a heart condition? I sureashellain't taking any chances on that one, no matter how much his coach screams. If I get dumped on post-game for doing so, so be it.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's a kid that's done for the day too unless I see something from a doctor saying he's OK to play. Having trouble with a heart condition? I sureashellain't taking any chances on that one, no matter how much his coach screams. If I get dumped on post-game for doing so, so be it.

You shouldn't worry about losing HS playoff dates unless you're a HS only official

[RookieDude]

holding...holding...holding (my response).

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

holding...holding...holding (my response).

Not sure what response you are looking for. Seems like the responses so far have been right on...if the coach didn't inform us of the condition, there's nothing to expect us to do...had a game where the coach said a player suffers from severe asthma attacks, and if she (coach) yelled a certain phrase it meant that player was in serious trouble...worked fine. BUT - we knew about it BEFORE the game started...

Other than T'ing the coach for going ballistic over this, what response are you looking for?

[TimTaylor]

I've got to agree with the majority. With no prior knowledge and no obvious signs of distress or injury exhibited by the player, not much else they could do.

I do, however, have serious issues with the coach. If he had been more proactive in telling his player to sit down on the floor or make some other very obvious action indicating he was having a problem, and let the officials know ahead of time what was going on, it would have been a lot easier on everyone. IMHO, if anyone dropped the ball on this one it was the coach.

I can't for the life of me understand why a kid with a serious heart condition was playing in the first place. Quite recently we had an incident at a local HS where a kid playing on the varsity team came out of the game in a routine substitution, then shortly after taking a seat on the bench he collapsed and died. Turns out he had a known heart condition that he was under a physician's care for. I can understand a kid's desire to play, and the attempt to let them participate as much as possible, but basketball is a game....is it really worth dying for?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Other than T'ing the coach for going ballistic over this, what response are you looking for?

I'm not looiking for any specific response...just curious to see other officials experiences and/or opinions on the matter.

As usual...I agree with Jurassic's and Bob Jenkins response.

That was pretty much the same thing I told the official that was involved. Sure the Coach SHOULD have told the officials BEFORE the game...but, he didn't. Therefore, I would err on the side of caution...when a player's health could be involved. I give the TO for injury and the player will be removed. NOW...does that player get to come back into the game without a written Doctor's permission. (Not unlike a concussion)

That is what I have e-mailed our Eastern Washington Clinician about...and am waiting for a response. I have also got with our Assignor and asked him to see about the school getting a Doctor's note, for this player, to have on file PRIOR to the game.

BTW...this player played football for the school in the fall...and my football official friends have never seen or heard about a physical condition he has.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

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That was pretty much the same thing I told the official that was involved. Sure the Coach SHOULD have told the officials BEFORE the game...but, he didn't. Therefore, I would err on the side of caution...when a player's health could be involved. I give the TO for injury and the player will be removed. NOW...does that player get to come back into the game without a written Doctor's permission. (Not unlike a concussion)

That is what I have e-mailed our Eastern Washington Clinician about...and am waiting for a response. I have also got with our Assignor and asked him to see about the school getting a Doctor's note, for this player, to have on file PRIOR to the game.

You are wise beyond your years.

You must be a Yankees fan.

Btw, please let us know what your Clinician has to say when you find out, Dude.

[RookieDude]

Update:

I have asked the question to Headquarters and they have not gotten back to me yet. Will reply to your question as soon as I hear something. I have my opinions but this one I want to make sure we are correct in how we handle it. Hope it won't be to long. Thanks.
Steve Ayres, Assigner
Spokane Basketball Officials

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Couldn't agree more with the responses so far. If the kid is having that much trouble, he should leave the court to get some help and the team should eat the "T". A small price to pay for getting some help.

Why would the team have to eat the "T"? Wouldn't his leaving the court be a violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

Why would the team have to eat the "T"? Wouldn't his leaving the court be a violation?

I think it would be neither. In my games, leaving for a medical reason is an authorized reason for leaving the court.

[Smitty]

Agreed....no "T".

[emtp]

totally coaches fault for not telling you, thought here is this is not an injury but a medical condition. I don't know what players have to do to prove their ability to play but in our state players have to pass physicals. This might be something to send to the Federation for clairification on medical conditions. Last thought is if he does tell you prior to the game that if he wants you to stop the game while the other team is in possesion that you can't stop play until TO made basket, rebound,violation etc. or just walk on the floor and you will give him a T. and that will stop play. I am a paramedic and I dought that this players condition is very serious 2nd to the fact that a doctor more than likely released him to play. Until he goes down how are you to know.