Pre-game warm-ups question - Full Court Warm-Up

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think this is actually addressed by either organization. My suggestion is to leave it alone unless you have a specific directive from a conference, state or organization.

Peace

Yup. I know in IL it was addressed last year by Mr. Gibson.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Yup. I know in IL it was addressed last year by Mr. Gibson.

Well, whatinthehell did Mr. Gibson say? And who is Mr. Gibson?

Inquiring minds need to know!

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, whatinthehell did Mr. Gibson say? And who is Mr. Gibson?

Inquiring minds need to know!

Lol - I almost posted the same thing.....

? "Is there a rule?" ......"Yes.....Yes there is"

Hey JR - I read 4.5.2. It does say specify opposite basket to the bench....I am sure they put that in so that it was clear where team should go. Correct me if I am wrong my tenured friend....didnt the visitors used to have their choice which end they wanted to warm up?

My point is, isnt the intent of 4.5.2 more to designate an end...it doesnt specify you cant use the entire court if the other teams isnt out there is my point. Also, wasnt that last POE more talking about teams circling the other team during warmups or high fiving at half court during intros.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Larks

My point is, isnt the intent of 4.5.2 more to designate an end...it doesnt specify you cant use the entire court if the other teams isnt out there is my point. Also, wasnt that last POE more talking about teams circling the other team during warmups or high fiving at half court during intros.....

When in doubt.....

E-mail Henry Zaborniak Jr. at OHSAA and ask him.

[email protected]

He'll probably tell you what to do.

Don't listen to me and the other dickheads posting here. Go to the horse's mouth.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

When in doubt.....

E-mail Henry Zaborniak Jr. at OHSAA and ask him.

[email protected]

He'll probably tell you what to do.

Don't listen to me and the other dickheads posting here. Go to the horse's mouth.

Well.....yeah - thats probably the next step.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Don't listen to me and the other dickheads posting here. Go to the horse's mouth.

I think that Bob will be coming along shortly, and then you're going to get deleted, you're going to get deleted, you're going to get deleted.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Don't listen to me and the other dickheads posting here. Go to the horse's mouth.

Do the deletes apply to quotes?

Next time....use "Richard Craniums" !!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Larks

Do the deletes apply to quotes?

Next time....use "Richard Craniums" !!

D@mn. You beat me to it!

[OHBBREF]

Larks - just another Richard Cranium opinion-
While there is nothing that specifically says you can not use the full court - I would think it is implied by the rule stating you should warm-up at the basket furthurest from your bench - it doesn't say you can use the other basket too.

The POE keeping teams seperate would be sufficient in my book to prevent the full court warm up - I would not penalize any one for doing it I would just stop it as soon as it started.

It used to be maybe 20 years ago that if you circled the court during a warm up it was a technical foul.

All in All I would not let it happen it just begs for a problem to occur.
With that said Hank will come back and tell me I am completely threaded in my opinion.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Don't listen to me and the other dickheads posting here. Go to the horse's mouth.

For those that don't know, JR's real name is Richard Cranium.

[JRutledge]

Yeah, but this was dealing more with both teams being present on the floor. If one team goes to the locker room, that is another issue. I think Larks is specifically asking about teams running a 3 on 2 full court drills that you commonly see.

Also in Illinois they had no problem with teams running around the court as long as they did not interfere with the other team's warm-up. They also said in the meetings I attended that this applied to both teams being on the floor. It was kind of implied we were not go overboard and use some common sense.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Here is the entire section of the POE that JR mentioned. As you can see the NFHS made some SUGGESTIONS, but ultimately left this issue up to the state associations.

2003-04 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. Sporting Behavior
...

B. Pre-game Situations: The committee believes this area of concern saw improvement last year, when it was first introduced as a Point of Emphasis. However, the committee felt this area was worth repeating to encourage continued diligence. Teams are deliberately running through or disrupting the opponent's pre-game warm-up. Teams are also competing for the center circle when entering the court or following player introductions.
Suggestions for improved behavior:
• The state or local athletic conference should establish appropriate pre-game procedures and protocols. A policy could be established confining teams to their own free-throw semi-circle for pre-game huddles or rituals or that only the home team utilizes the center circle.
• Coaches should take an active role and establish guidelines for their teams and permit only those pre-game rituals that promote sporting behavior and cannot be interpreted as taunting or baiting the opponent.
• Officials should be prepared to assess a technical foul to a team member/team demonstrating these unsporting acts. The specific inappropriate actions of a few team members may be individually penalized or the entire team may be assessed one technical foul, if they collectively engage in any inappropriate behavior(s). Since all team members are considered bench personnel before the game and during intermissions, the head coach would also be charged indirectly with the technical foul (10-4-1d; 2-8-1).

[Larks]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was kind of implied we were not go overboard and use some common sense.

Peace

Exactly....

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, whatinthehell did Mr. Gibson say? And who is Mr. Gibson?

Inquiring minds need to know!

He is in charge of (boys) basketball in Illinois.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yeah, but this was dealing more with both teams being present on the floor. If one team goes to the locker room, that is another issue. I think Larks is specifically asking about teams running a 3 on 2 full court drills that you commonly see.

Also in Illinois they had no problem with teams running around the court as long as they did not interfere with the other team's warm-up. They also said in the meetings I attended that this applied to both teams being on the floor. It was kind of implied we were not go overboard and use some common sense.

Peace

Right, what I got out of it is that he said they could come out of their locker room like that, however once they were on the floor they had to stay at their end. It didn't matter if the other team went back down to their locker room or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Right, what I got out of it is that he said they could come out of their locker room like that, however once they were on the floor they had to stay at their end. It didn't matter if the other team went back down to their locker room or not.

That was not the impression we were given, but then again I was not at a meeting where Kurt ran a meeting. I believe I attended meetings that Harry Bohn (head clinician and rules interpreter in the State of Illinois) and John Dacey. Unless they want to put it in writing, I am not going to stop any team from doing so.

As it relates to the NCAA level, I know of no discussion that says this is illegal and no one has shown this as an issue yet.

Peace