Foul-buzzer-shot

[BloggingRefGuy]

3-man mechanics. End of the third quarter.

Lancelot is the C, opposite the table. He's watching for the last shot.

Galahad is the L.

There's a shot. Lancelot toots his whistle and yells "No! No! No shot!"

Galahad has his fist up. He has a foul.

They come together and determine that what happened was foul-buzzer-release, in that order.

Here's where they disagreed. Lancelot says that the player was in the act of shooting, irrespective of whether the buzzer ended the shot. Therefore, we have two shots (and would have two shots even if the ball went in).

Galahad says that there was no shot, since the quarter ended (kinda like if a player was fouled shooting at the wrong hoop). Therefore, we have a non-shooting foul, and would shoot one-and-one (they were in the bonus...yeah, I know, it was a long night).

Much time has been spent looking for a caseplay...no such luck.

Who's right? And if you have a caseplay, it would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Nevadaref]

Lancelot is correct.

I'll provide info later when I find it.

[BloggingRefGuy]

Thanks, Nevada. I suspect you're right, but I'm having a devil of a time finding the supporting evidence.

[Nevadaref]

Not your exact situation, but a case play that I have so far found:

5.2.5 SITUATION C: With three-tenths of a second or less left in a tied game, each team is in the bonus. Team A has a throw-in on the end line near their basket. A1 throws the ball to A5 on the near block who catches the ball and quickly shoots. A5 is fouled by B3 just prior to the period ending horn. The ball goes through A's basket. RULING: Since A5 may not control the ball and attempt a try with three-tenths of a second or less, A5 cannot score a goal and is not considered in the act of shooting. However, B3's foul cannot be ignored and is considered a common foul. A5 is awarded a one-and-one bonus free-throw situation with the lane cleared. A5's free throw attempts will determine if the game is over or if an overtime period is necessary. (4-41-6)

[BloggingRefGuy]

Hmm. Doesn't that support Galahad's argument more than Lancelot's?

I think we shoot two, based on the definition of "shooting/try/tap."

4.41.3: The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball.

4.41.4: The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead.

Since the foul was between the start and the end of the try (it ended when the ball went dead), we have a foul in the act of shooting. Two shots, even if the ball goes in. Not a one-and-one.

Agreed?

[Nevadaref]

I do agree. That play is only one-and-one because of the 3/10ths of a second rule. There can be no catch and shoot in that timeframe.
I'm still looking for something better for you.

[just another ref]

Try 5.6.2 Situation D sounds like 2 shots to me

[Jurassic Referee]

Foul--->buzzer---->release.

The ball becomes dead when the horn goes. Rule 6-7-6. If a foul occurs, rule 6-7-7 also says that the ball becomes dead, with exceptions. Rule 6-7-6EXCEPTION(a&c) say that the exception keeping the ball live only applies if the ball was in flight before time expired. Therefore the ball is dead on the buzzer, no basket, and the shooter gets 2 FT's for being fouled in the act of shooting.