charge and player control foul

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

Got it! Thanks for the replies.

I get the player with ball, crashes into defender= player control, hand behind head signal.

Now, the offensive player without the ball, would that not be a team control foul, with the punch signal?

You almost got it. The off ball player or the shooter who has passed the ball install of shooting is considered a Team Control Foul and you come out with the punch. You need to read up on what constitutes team control vs. player control. You can have both, either one, or none.

[refnjoe]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

You almost got it. The off ball player or the shooter who has passed the ball install of shooting is considered a Team Control Foul and you come out with the punch. You need to read up on what constitutes team control vs. player control. You can have both, either one, or none.

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

Good question and I want to say never or if the defense charges into the offensive person which would be a foul or during a dead ball situation. I am sure others will chime in on this if I am incorrect.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

When any player charges when there is no team control or a defensive player charges when there is team control.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

Do not get it twisted in your mind. A charge is simply a "push." The term team control and player control fouls have more to do when the fouls occur rather than what action is considered a foul.

Peace

[refnjoe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do not get it twisted in your mind. A charge is simply a "push." The term team control and player control fouls have more to do when the fouls occur rather than what action is considered a foul.

Peace

Thanks JRut, that is good advice and a good way for this rookie to keep it straight in my head!
Mainly, I just wanted to make sure I had the mechanics right, and the post I mentioned in my original message made me doubt myself.

I appreciate all the help!

[Jimgolf]

A charge is when one player runs into another. This can be a player on either offense or defense. I'm guessing that JRut is saying that the signal used is the same as the one used for pushing.

[Adam]

Defensively, you'll see it when a player runs through a screen. the problem is it's easy to confuse the terminology with people use "charge" and "Player control foul" interchangeably. They're not. A foul can easily be a charge and not a PC, and a PC foul can easily be something besides a charge. Rut's right, "PC" refers to the circumstances (who has the ball) and "charge" refers to the type of contact, or what the player was doing to earn the foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

A charge is when one player runs into another. This can be a player on either offense or defense. I'm guessing that JRut is saying that the signal used is the same as the one used for pushing.

Jim,

If you look in the back of the rulebook with all the signals, the signal that we use and most know of as a push is the same signal they use for charging. It really does not matter either way; these signals are just descriptions so you can describe what you feel the foul was. Only PC, TC, intentional, double and technical fouls have any specific application if called. It really does not matter if you call a push or a charge.

Peace

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

When a player releases the ball during a try and returns to the floor (no longer an airborne shooter) and charges into the defender.

Mregor