charge and player control foul

[Kevzebra]

I think a simple way to look at it is this:

A player with the ball crashes into a defender; PC foul. Punch or behind head signal.

A player that passes the ball then crashes into a defender; charging. Give push signal, do not go behind head.

Main difference is that one has the ball (or has just released it) and one does not.

Hope that helps!

[refnjoe]

Got it! Thanks for the replies.

I get the player with ball, crashes into defender= player control, hand behind head signal.

Now, the offensive player without the ball, would that not be a team control foul, with the punch signal?

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

Got it! Thanks for the replies.

I get the player with ball, crashes into defender= player control, hand behind head signal.

Now, the offensive player without the ball, would that not be a team control foul, with the punch signal?

You almost got it. The off ball player or the shooter who has passed the ball install of shooting is considered a Team Control Foul and you come out with the punch. You need to read up on what constitutes team control vs. player control. You can have both, either one, or none.

[refnjoe]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

You almost got it. The off ball player or the shooter who has passed the ball install of shooting is considered a Team Control Foul and you come out with the punch. You need to read up on what constitutes team control vs. player control. You can have both, either one, or none.

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

Good question and I want to say never or if the defense charges into the offensive person which would be a foul or during a dead ball situation. I am sure others will chime in on this if I am incorrect.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

When any player charges when there is no team control or a defensive player charges when there is team control.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

Do not get it twisted in your mind. A charge is simply a "push." The term team control and player control fouls have more to do when the fouls occur rather than what action is considered a foul.

Peace

[refnjoe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do not get it twisted in your mind. A charge is simply a "push." The term team control and player control fouls have more to do when the fouls occur rather than what action is considered a foul.

Peace

Thanks JRut, that is good advice and a good way for this rookie to keep it straight in my head!
Mainly, I just wanted to make sure I had the mechanics right, and the post I mentioned in my original message made me doubt myself.

I appreciate all the help!

[Jimgolf]

A charge is when one player runs into another. This can be a player on either offense or defense. I'm guessing that JRut is saying that the signal used is the same as the one used for pushing.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by refnjoe

I thought that's what I said?

So, that begs the question- when do we have a charge that IS NOT a team control or a player control?

When a player releases the ball during a try and returns to the floor (no longer an airborne shooter) and charges into the defender.

Mregor