Working With a Homer

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I don't think I've ever worked with a "homer." There was this one time, however, I believe it was two 7th regional games down in a little, little town. I think that's the closest I've ever came to working with a "homer." Bob, what you say?! Just playing, of course, hope your family had a great holiday weekend!

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No homer that time, but in an 8th grade conference championship game in a small, small town not real far from there while I was congratulating his kids on playing a good game, the losing coach told me that I sucked and that I had homered him twice that year. I was impressed! I had never seen his team before and the only game I did in that gym all year was the 8th grade championship. You've gotta be really good to homer someone and not even be there!!!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by refnrev

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No homer that time, but in an 8th grade conference championship game in a small, small town not real far from there while I was congratulating his kids on playing a good game, the losing coach told me that I sucked and that I had homered him twice that year. I was impressed! I had never seen his team before and the only game I did in that gym all year was the 8th grade championship. You've gotta be really good to homer someone and not even be there!!!

Dang Bob, you're right. You should have got an award or something for pulling that off.

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You have GOT to be kidding.

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What Scrapper said. Old School, no offense, but I have to ask, are you really an official or are you just having fun on this forum. Some of your posts really make a bunch of us wonder?

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Dang Bob, you're right. You should have got an award or something for pulling that off.

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I have enough satisfaction in knowing that the guy is an idiot, he's reached the zenith of his coaching career at age 26 or so, and no other coach in his conference can stand him.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by refnrev

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I have enough satisfaction in knowing that the guy is an idiot, he's reached the zenith of his coaching career at age 26 or so, and no other coach in his conference can stand him.

Interesting. Sounds like a true Junior High coach!

[Old School]

I think the key thing here is to be consistent with your calls. If the foul count is 8 to 1, that doesn't seem to be consistent to anyone in the gym. I bet there are calls you could have made that you passed on because you didn't think there was enough disadvangate. I think if you consistently keep calling games uneven like that, it will shorten your career. I also think, smart officiating is keeping foul counts even and trying to be consistent.

Do I make calls to even up the foul count? No, of course not, but I do monitor foul counts.

If my partner if blasting a lot on one team. Then I try to make sure that the same type of foul is being called on the other end.

Proper balance is the key to a good game and a good life.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Old School

If my partner if blasting a lot on one team. Then I try to make sure that the same type of foul is being called on the other end.


Peace

So basically what you are getting at here is that if your partner is cheating at one end, you need to make sure you cheat at the other end to even out the cheating???

That is the quickest way I know of to end a career...

[Old School]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So basically what you are getting at here is that if your partner is cheating at one end, you need to make sure you cheat at the other end to even out the cheating???

That is the quickest way I know of to end a career...

That's twisting the words around Rockyroad. That is not what I said.

peace

[cropduster]

Originally Posted by Old School

I think the key thing here is to be consistent with your calls. If the foul count is 8 to 1, that doesn't seem to be consistent to anyone in the gym. I bet there are calls you could have made that you passed on because you didn't think there was enough disadvangate. I think if you consistently keep calling games uneven like that, it will shorten your career. I also think, smart officiating is keeping foul counts even and trying to be consistent.

Do I make calls to even up the foul count? No, of course not, but I do monitor foul counts.

If my partner if blasting a lot on one team. Then I try to make sure that the same type of foul is being called on the other end.

Proper balance is the key to a good game and a good life.

Peace

Whew

[mick]

Originally Posted by refnrev

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No homer that time, but in an 8th grade conference championship game in a small, small town not real far from there while I was congratulating his kids on playing a good game, the losing coach told me that I sucked and that I had homered him twice that year. I was impressed! I had never seen his team before and the only game I did in that gym all year was the 8th grade championship. You've gotta be really good to homer someone and not even be there!!!

Aw, all you refs look alike.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Old School

I think the key thing here is to be consistent with your calls. If the foul count is 8 to 1, that doesn't seem to be consistent to anyone in the gym. I bet there are calls you could have made that you passed on because you didn't think there was enough disadvangate. I think if you consistently keep calling games uneven like that, it will shorten your career. I also think, smart officiating is keeping foul counts even and trying to be consistent.

Do I make calls to even up the foul count? No, of course not, but I do monitor foul counts.

If my partner if blasting a lot on one team. Then I try to make sure that the same type of foul is being called on the other end.

Proper balance is the key to a good game and a good life.

Peace

If you've got an 8-1 foul count, you've probably got a game where 1 team is full court pressing and the other is playing a zone defense. One team is taking it to the paint and the other is shooting 3's. Of course I'm aware of the foul count but I'm not looking to "create" a foul just because. Sure, the coach with 8 fouls is probably going to bring it up but most coaches who are worth a flip know it's just talk. They know why the count is where it is.

You're on your own with this one...Old School

[Old School]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

If you've got an 8-1 foul count, you've probably got a game where 1 team is full court pressing and the other is playing a zone defense. One team is taking it to the paint and the other is shooting 3's. Of course I'm aware of the foul count but I'm not looking to "create" a foul just because. Sure, the coach with 8 fouls is probably going to bring it up but most coaches who are worth a flip know it's just talk. They know why the count is where it is.

You're on your own with this one...Old School

The nice thing about it, is it helps you to manage the game. If you're looking at 5 - 4 versus 8 - 1, the game is going to be a lot smoother for you. I have read plenty of times out here where we talk about disadvantage with contact. Yea, he foul him but since he didn't lose the ball, play on. Well, my point is this. If you're in a 8-1 situation and the team with 1 just did that. Now they got 2 team fouls. If you're working with a guy that you don't know and he is calling it tight, or working with a homer. You just got to step up and call the game tight yourself to remain consistent at both ends. It's not about calling fouls based on the team foul count. It's about being consistent. What's the best way to determine if you're being consistent based on fouls. Team foul count.

This must be another one of those unspoken/unwritten rules. I'm not affair to tell you the truth because these jackals out here want you to believe that calling fouls by the foul count doesn't happen. Let me tell you it happens and every experienced official out there checks that foul count thru-out the game and adjusts to it if they have too. Everybody does it, they're just never going to admit it in public. In my games, when I'm working with an experienced partner, it's never an issue because we are right there anyway.

One of the best comments I heard was a winning coach telling a losing coach in one of my games I wasn't too proud of. He said, hey, they where not calling it on either sides. They weren't giving you any foul calls and we weren't getting any foul calls either. They were consistent thru-out the whole game.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

The nice thing about it, is it helps you to manage the game. If you're looking at 5 - 4 versus 8 - 1, the game is going to be a lot smoother for you. I have read plenty of times out here where we talk about disadvantage with contact. Yea, he foul him but since he didn't lose the ball, play on. Well, my point is this. If you're in a 8-1 situation and the team with 1 just did that. Now they got 2 team fouls. If you're working with a guy that you don't know and he is calling it tight, or working with a homer. You just got to step up and call the game tight yourself to remain consistent at both ends. It's not about calling fouls based on the team foul count. It's about being consistent. What's the best way to determine if you're being consistent based on fouls. Team foul count.

This must be another one of those unspoken/unwritten rules. I'm not affair to tell you the truth because these jackals out here want you to believe that calling fouls by the foul count doesn't happen. Let me tell you it happens and every experienced official out there checks that foul count thru-out the game and adjusts to it if they have too. Everybody does it, they're just never going to admit it in public. In my games, when I'm working with an experienced partner, it's never an issue because we are right there anyway.

One of the best comments I heard was a winning coach telling a losing coach in one of my games I wasn't too proud of. He said, hey, they where not calling it on either sides. They weren't giving you any foul calls and we weren't getting any foul calls either. They were consistent thru-out the whole game.

I call on the moderators to find this guy's registration info, and unmask him! He's one of us in disguise!! I vote for Chuck. It's gone to his head!! He's back trying to show us all what not to do. And he'd deliberately made the English so bad that no one would suspect.

Yup, I like it. The Chuck rises again.

[refnrev]

Can't be Padgett. There are no high heel sneaker tracks or fishnet prints!

[sj]

The syntax is JMO. That's my vote.