Which Way do you prefer????

[rainmaker]

I'm confused, Old School. You keep talking about the players "toughing" the ball before it reaches its highest point. I can't find that in rule 4. What is toughing the ball?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

JR didn't make your point. JR said any official can call back a bad toss. You're calling back legal tosses because you don't think they look pretty enough.

Negative. I'm calling it back because you threw it up too high and the jumpers missed it.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I didn't say I have a problem with the U calling back a bad toss. I have a problem with the U calling back a legal toss because the jumpers mis-timed their jumps and it looked awkward.

If it looks awkward, in your own words, and you tossed it too high. Beep! Retoss. Remember, it's not about us, it about the players. Let's start the game out on a correct note. Finally, and this doesn't bother me that much but I don't want to hear the coaches mouth of the team that didn't get possession, when he/she says. What's up with that toss? Both guys missed it! Come on, you guys are getting paid for this, throw it up right for goodness sake! Personally, I don't want to start my games off like that.

Peace

[Old School]

On the subject of the selection of the R.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That is not even a factor in the state of Illinois, or in the college ranks. The R is determined by a number of factors, including experience, rules knowledge, court presence, and sometimes, by coin flip. In fact, in NCAA-W, the R can designate who does the toss. So how does "tossing ability" become a factor in who is the R?

If you can entertain the idea of a coin flip! Why can't you entertain the idea that with all things being equal, which is what I said, go back and read my posts if you don't believe me, but with all things being equal, why not who tosses it the best?

If you have a referee that has more experience then the partners, then all things are not equal.

Just a thought.......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Negative. I'm calling it back because you threw it up too high and the jumpers missed it.



If it looks awkward, in your own words, and you tossed it too high. Beep! Retoss. Remember, it's not about us, it about the players. Let's start the game out on a correct note. Finally, and this doesn't bother me that much but I don't want to hear the coaches mouth of the team that didn't get possession, when he/she says. What's up with that toss? Both guys missed it! Come on, you guys are getting paid for this, throw it up right for goodness sake! Personally, I don't want to start my games off like that.

Peace

You're half right. It's not about the refs. By stopping to retoss just because you think the toss was too high (no rule basis for this), you're making it about the refs.

Since you don't care about the rules, we won't be finishing the game together. Either you go, or I do. But, I don't have to worry about it, since....

Okay, I've had my fun. Have a day.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Old School

Negative. I'm calling it back because you threw it up too high and the jumpers missed it.

What?!?!?! You have to be kidding nOld School.

[rainmaker]

OS -- If you're really this worried about the toss, you need to get a life. Seriously.


Why not do up your house like this guy?

http://www.mypartypost.com/watchvide...s_Display_Ever

[mj]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

OS -- If you're really this worried about the toss, you need to get a life. Seriously.

Ding, ding!!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're half right. It's not about the refs. By stopping to retoss just because you think the toss was too high (no rule basis for this), you're making it about the refs.

No again, I'm making it about the game. The ref who has to retoss is the one that's sour, if he chooses to be. I know if my partner didn't think my toss was good enough, I would have no problem retossing it. But that's just me. I just don't understand why referees get so upset about their jump balls.

At a camp, I had a partner get real upset (not mad) at me because I blew back his toss. 3 days later he was still taking about me blowing back his toss. From his position, the toss was perfect. From U1, he stepped back when he tossed it and the ball went back with him, such that one of the jumpers swung and missed it. He swung laterally not straight up but laterally and missed the whole ball while the other jumper, standing on the other side tip it easily. With this referee, it was about him.
Peace

[Old School]

And finally, I would like to end this discussion with this. If you toss the ball too high and both jumpers jump and mis-time the tip, look awkward while swinging and missing it and therefore the ball falls back to the court. What does NFHS Rule 6.3.6 last sentence say?

I rest my case!

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

I rest my case! Peace

Finally.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

What does NFHS Rule 6.3.6 last sentence say?

I hate to break it to you, but there ain't no 6.3.6. That isn't a rule; that's a case play number that doesn't exist.

Here's what we need re: jump balls:
1) #212 on p.28 of the OFFICIALS MANUAL.
2) Case book play 6.3.7 on p.47 of the case book.

Now, prove to us that you really, really are an official. Look those up and cite them for us.

I await your response.

[sj]

I hate to ask this because maybe I don't want to know....but is old school...JMO?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by sj

I hate to ask this because maybe I don't want to know....but is old school...JMO?

Naw, he's posted under different names over at McGriffs- most of them starting with Old.

[sj]

Well that's good anyway. Maybe JMO is still over there by himself clicking on all those spam links wondering where everybody is. Maybe the "JMO Philosophy of Intent" will catch on someday ...changing the game forever.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I hate to break it to you, but there ain't no 6.3.6. That isn't a rule; that's a case play number that doesn't exist.

Well, I really hate to bust your bubble but there is a Rule 6.3 Art.6 of the NFHS rulebook.

Objection overruled!!!! Case is closed......