Five second count on a drive

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

Wait, am i reading this correctly?

A1 dribbling around can guarded by B1, B2, and B3 each individually so long as one of them is always within six feet and the closely guarded count continues and does not restart with each change of defender???

Is the rule the same in NCAA and NCAA-W?

Yes, in FED.

In NCAA it must be the same defender -- when there's a switch, the count starts over.

[ATXCoach]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, in FED.

In NCAA it must be the same defender -- when there's a switch, the count starts over.

I did not know that. thanks for clearing it up.

[rainmaker]

I know I'll probably be beheaded for saying this, but you'd better check around in your area before you call this. I know what the strict letter of the law says, and I'm not saying that JR is incorrect in his interp. But I also know that some rules are called with local variations that directly contradict the book, and whether or not I or anyone else approve of this, that's the way it's done. I'd check with a local interpreter before i called this in any game.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I know I'll probably be beheaded for saying this, but you'd better check around in your area before you call this. I know what the strict letter of the law says, and I'm not saying that JR is incorrect in his interp. But I also know that some rules are called with local variations that directly contradict the book, and whether or not I or anyone else approve of this, that's the way it's done. I'd check with a local interpreter before i called this in any game.

I'll just say that there was a rather spirited discussion about whether this should be called or not. Yes, the rule is clear. But is the intent of the rule to give the ball to the defense when the offense is actively advancing toward the basket?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I'll just say that there was a rather spirited discussion about whether this should be called or not. Yes, the rule is clear. But is the intent of the rule to give the ball to the defense when the offense is actively advancing toward the basket?

The intent of the rule is to reward good defense. If a defender is in front of a dribbler that is actively advancing towards the basket, why should you penalize them for making that good defensive play?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I know I'll probably be beheaded for saying this, but you'd better check around in your area before you call this. I know what the strict letter of the law says, and I'm not saying that JR is incorrect in his interp. But I also know that some rules are called with local variations that directly contradict the book, and whether or not I or anyone else approve of this, that's the way it's done. I'd check with a local interpreter before i called this in any game.

Are you inferring that Howard is teaching Portland officials to ignore that particular rule?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you inferring that Howard is teaching Portland officials to ignore that particular rule?

I'm not inferring anything, the reader infers, the speaker (or writer) implies!

Okay, well I had to do that since Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy has yet to be replaced.

No, not at all. Howard is a by the book kinda guy -- except for 3 seconds. But my point is exactly that in areas where there is a strong tradition of how to interpret things, it's best to go by that tradition, just like we use Howard's 3 second rule here, rather than the legality of the book.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'm not inferring anything, the reader infers, the speaker (or writer) implies!

Okay, well I had to do that since Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy has yet to be replaced.

How about Ms. Annoying Grammar Gal?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

How about Ms. Annoying Grammar Gal?

Umm, not meaning to be sexist or anything, but how are we supposed to use that squirrel picture for a Ms. Annoying Grammar Gal?

[legend]

I'd use caution with this call if the dribbler is driving to the hoop. If your on 5 and the dribbler's next step is to start a shot attempt I would think he should be allowed the oppertunity to attempt the shot. If he passes then blow it dead with the 5 sec. violation. We all know it's better to be late then early!

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'm not inferring anything, the reader infers, the speaker (or writer) implies!

Okay, well I had to do that since Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy has yet to be replaced.

No, not at all. Howard is a by the book kinda guy -- except for 3 seconds. But my point is exactly that in areas where there is a strong tradition of how to interpret things, it's best to go by that tradition, just like we use Howard's 3 second rule here, rather than the legality of the book.

Gee Juulie, does that make you the annoying Grammer Gal?

Sorry.....I couldn't resist

Great to see you last night...it's been awhile! Now that test night (and we all hopefully passed) is over the courts are safe once again!

[TimTaylor]

OOPS! Looks like BITS beat me to it - sure proof that twisted minds think alike...

[BktBallRef]

I'm not calling 5 seconds unless there is a defender actively guarding the player with the ball. Just because another player is standing within 6 feet, it does not mean that the 2nd defender is actually guarding or even knows what's going on.

[Ref Daddy]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I'm not calling 5 seconds unless there is a defender actively guarding the player with the ball. Just because another player is standing within 6 feet, it does not mean that the 2nd defender is actually guarding or even knows what's going on.

Best thought provoking thread of the young season.

I'm with BBR. If the player is effectivly "passed off" to a focused-on-that-player defender, keep counting. Just because a post player is within 6 feet and chasing somebody else - I cannot see a penalty.

[Smitty]

The 5 second count continuing from one defender to another is more prevalent in the case of a screen. When a defensive switch occurs immediately after the primary defender has been screened, and a new deffender obtains legal guarding position inside 6 feet immediately, I keep my count going.