Five second count on a drive

[Back In The Saddle]

We had an interesting discussion in our association meeting last night about the five second closely guarded count. Imagine that a dribbler gets head and shoulders past his defender on a drive to the basket only to be picked up by a secondary defender who was already within six feet (so at least one defender was continuously within six feet the whole time). Would you continue your count? If so, why? If not, why not? Would it make any difference to you if it were near the basket or 40 feet away?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

We had an interesting discussion in our association meeting last night about the five second closely guarded count. Imagine that a dribbler gets head and shoulders past his defender on a drive to the basket only to be picked up by a secondary defender who was already within six feet (so at least one defender was continuously within six feet the whole time). Would you continue your count? If so, why? If not, why not? Would it make any difference to you if it were near the basket or 40 feet away?

There's your answer right there.

From the RULING in casebook play 9.10.1SitB- "There is no requirement for the defensive player to remain the same during the count as long as A1 is closely guarded throughout".

It's a violation anywhere on the court. The dribbler only got head and shoulders past one defender, not both of them. If the other defender was within 6 feet, the count simply continues.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's your answer right there.

From the RULING in casebook play 9.10.1SitB- "There is no requirement for the defensive player to remain the same during the count as long as A1 is closely guarded throughout".

It's a violation anywhere on the court. The dribbler only got head and shoulders past one defender, not both of them. If the other defender was within 6 feet, the count simply continues.

cough cough...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

cough cough...

YeahYeahYeah......

It's a violation anywhere in the frontcourt, except for maybe Wimmen's basketball of which I know nuthin' about.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's a violation anywhere on the court.

Dont Put that Pivot foot back down!!

[ATXCoach]

Wait, am i reading this correctly?

A1 dribbling around can guarded by B1, B2, and B3 each individually so long as one of them is always within six feet and the closely guarded count continues and does not restart with each change of defender???

Is the rule the same in NCAA and NCAA-W?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

Wait, am i reading this correctly?

A1 dribbling around can guarded by B1, B2, and B3 each individually so long as one of them is always within six feet and the closely guarded count continues and does not restart with each change of defender???

Is the rule the same in NCAA and NCAA-W?

Yes, in FED.

In NCAA it must be the same defender -- when there's a switch, the count starts over.

[ATXCoach]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, in FED.

In NCAA it must be the same defender -- when there's a switch, the count starts over.

I did not know that. thanks for clearing it up.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

Wait, am i reading this correctly?

A1 dribbling around can guarded by B1, B2, and B3 each individually so long as one of them is always within six feet and the closely guarded count continues and does not restart with each change of defender???

Is the rule the same in NCAA and NCAA-W?

No. It is the same in NCAA-M only.

In NCAA-W there is no closely guarded count while A1 is dribbling, only while she is holding the ball. The count happens anywhere on the court, not just in the frontcourt.