After Bob Knight again

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

"The kid isn't complaining"

...neither did the kid who got "abused" by that good looking blonde teacher.
Does that make it right?

Please. Don't tell me you can't see the difference here. You're saying there is no distinction between a grabbed chin and statutory rape combined with sexual abuse.

Are you suggesting this was an assault?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Please. Don't tell me you can't see the difference here. You're saying there is no distinction between a grabbed chin and statutory rape combined with sexual abuse.

Are you suggesting this was an assault?

Surethehellam.

Come on out to these parts Mr. Jimgolf...let me jack you one under the chin("grab" mya$$)...see if you get pi$$ed!

If you hit your boss like Knight hit that kid...or better yet your boss hit you like Knight hit that kid...do you think there would be any repercussions?

What if you, as an official, hit a player like that? Or you hit a Coach like that...you know, to get his attention?

Jimgolf...I think I might know a little about what an assault is. In mine line of work I need to know these things and have taken many law enforcement classes to give me a good idea of "use of force" guidelines.

You wanna pop your kid in the chin...go ahead...but, don't even try it with mine.

P.S. Hey JRut...if an LA police officer came up and jacked you one under the chin, because you weren't looking at him, do you think you might have a case against him?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

P.S. Hey JRut...if an LA police officer came up and jacked you one under the chin, because you weren't looking at him, do you think you might have a case against him?

Wow, another displaced analogy.

Rodney King got his tale kicked and they were acquitted from any wrong doing. So you tell me.

Peace

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Wow, another displaced analogy.

Rodney King got his tale kicked and they were acquitted from any wrong doing. So you tell me.

Peace

Displaced analogy...I didn't see this kid resisting anything...he was passive.
RK was fighting back, he got is A$$ kicked. (Oh yeah, and a lot of money)

[Dan_ref]

You know it's time to lock the thread when the posts start wandering into "maybe Rodney King had it coming to him" territory.

Mods, do your work.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You know it's time to lock the thread when the posts start wandering into "maybe Rodney King had it coming to him" territory.

Mods, do your work.

Wanna discuss O.J. and his new book instead?

That one will go longer than the baseball thread.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wanna discuss O.J. and his new book instead?

That one will go longer than the baseball thread.

Well, he did say IF he did it, and according to cnn he actually cried during the interview.

[Official99]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You know it's time to lock the thread when the posts start wandering into "maybe Rodney King had it coming to him" territory.

Mods, do your work.

Rodney King... just a thought, I was watching a show that brought up the whole Rodney King incident. Has anyone on this site ever seen the WHOLE video, including the 13 seconds BEFORE what was shown in court? You know the part where Rodney got in a high speed pursuit with police officers and was failing to respond to the police commands and don't forget the clip when he attacked an officer causing bodily harm to said officer...

Just wondering if anyone else saw that and not just when the officers were taking him into custody?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Official99

Rodney King... just a thought, I was watching a show that brought up the whole Rodney King incident. Has anyone on this site ever seen the WHOLE video, including the 13 seconds BEFORE what was shown in court? You know the part where Rodney got in a high speed pursuit with police officers and was failing to respond to the police commands and don't forget the clip when he attacked an officer causing bodily harm to said officer...

Just wondering if anyone else saw that and not just when the officers were taking him into custody?

Reasonable people do not care what happen before the parts of the tape were shown. What we care about is what we saw on the tape. Even if he did not listen to police and their direct orders, the police had ample opportunity to take control of the situation and choose to continue to beat them. I have seen many times just on the show “Cops” how several officers take over a situation rather quickly and do not need to constantly beat an individual they way they did Mr. King. I also do not care the character of Rodney King either and how it plays into this situation. There are a lot of incidents with Police that I have witnessed personally that have abused their power and were punished for it. Police officers are not above the law and this was just the case that brought the media and other incidents to the forefront.

Now that is my political statement for the day.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You know it's time to lock the thread when the posts start wandering into "maybe Rodney King had it coming to him" territory.

Mods, do your work.

I second the motion!

[Jimgolf]

Before this gets locked, Dan Wetzel of Sports Illustrated had a coherent view of this latest Bobby Knight incident. ESPN is like the National Enquirer when it comes to certain people, while others get a pass.

Article at http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?s...yhoo&type=lgns

[BigTex]

Rodney King got his tale kicked and they were acquitted from any wrong doing. So you tell me.

WRONG--Two police officers went to prison, and two others were fired.


Reasonable people do not care what happen before the parts of the tape were shown. What we care about is what we saw on the tape. Even if he did not listen to police and their direct orders, the police had ample opportunity to take control of the situation and choose to continue to beat them. I have seen many times just on the show “Cops” how several officers take over a situation rather quickly and do not need to constantly beat an individual they way they did Mr. King.

WRONG AGAIN--Reasonable people are the only ones who care about the what happened on the whole tape. The people who are uninformed and narrow minded and want to shape every situation into something that will benefit them, are the people who only care about what we saw on the news.

Please don't tell me that you form your opinion of law enforcement from watching COPS. That is like forming your opinion of athletes by watching WWF. COPS is a television show produced for entertainment, please take it for what it is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigTex

WRONG AGAIN--Reasonable people are the only ones who care about the what happened on the whole tape. The people who are uninformed and narrow minded and want to shape every situation into something that will benefit them, are the people who only care about what we saw on the news.

Please don't tell me that you form your opinion of law enforcement from watching COPS. That is like forming your opinion of athletes by watching WWF. COPS is a television show produced for entertainment, please take it for what it is.

My father used to work in the Dallas County Coroners office as a Lab Technician and would do autopsies and analyze police shootings. He worked in that office for about 5 years before retiring from his main profession. It was funny how you would watch the local news and the story would be one thing from the cops and the reality would be something completely different with the people that actually saw the body. It was funny how many times we would hear that the police shot someone based on what the cops thought (he had a gun, he was threatening us) then when my father would talk about the evidence, it did not match. For example how many police shootings would involve the "suspect" being shot in the back and no gun was present, but the police claimed some 15 year old had a gun.

Secondly, I have dealt with Cops in traffic stops and the stuff they ask and assume things that are absurd. So my feelings on cops are not limited to a TV show and I did not say my only opinion was based on that. I just know that Cops will lie and have lied (come watch some news around here about police brutality and behavior with the public). The wonderful thing is that most cops are wonderful, hard working people. But just like we say about officials, "one official makes the rest of us look bad." Well that is really true with cops when life or death is at stake. Everything cops do or say is not legal or moral.

Peace

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

You wanna pop your kid in the chin...go ahead...but, don't even try it with mine.

Then you wouldn't send your kid to be coached by Knight. These parents did, knew what to expect, and accept that their son might be disciplined in the customary Knight manner.

As for assault, it is defined as "an act done with intent to cause another injury or imminent fear of injury. The act may be direct (hitting someone with a fist) or indirect (putting something in their drink). "

There clearly was no intent to commit injury, nor fear of injury, therefore no assault.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Then you wouldn't send your kid to be coached by Knight. These parents did, knew what to expect, and accept that their son might be disciplined in the customary Knight manner.

As for assault, it is defined as "an act done with intent to cause another injury or imminent fear of injury. The act may be direct (hitting someone with a fist) or indirect (putting something in their drink). "

There clearly was no intent to commit injury, nor fear of injury, therefore no assault.

Well, my friend...a good lawyer might just debate with you weather or not this kid was in fear.