No time out left, or do I

[Gimlet25id]

I also feel that way based on what you said above. You said you did not need anyone to tell you what the timeout situation was when you coached, so why do I need to prevent something you should (and most of the time teams are already doing) know about in the first place? We all do not have to approach the game with the same priorities.

Hello JR good to hear from you. First let me say that I did have the info when I coached and was sure I had it. However I never got upset @ a official for reminding of such information. If anything I appreciated it. Wasn't really implying that you need to approach the game like I do. Since this was a open forum I was just giving my opinion. That all nothing more.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Hello JR good to hear from you. First let me say that I did have the info when I coached and was sure I had it. However I never got upset @ a official for reminding of such information. If anything I appreciated it. Wasn't really implying that you need to approach the game like I do. Since this was a open forum I was just giving my opinion. That all nothing more.

I never said I was concerned about a coach getting upset with me because I gave their timeout situation.

Just like you gave your opinion, I am giving mine. This is an open forum and this is a free country to do what you see fit when you officiate.

Peace

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I never said I was concerned about a coach getting upset with me because I gave their timeout situation.

Just like you gave your opinion, I am giving mine. This is an open forum and this is a free country to do what you see fit when you officiate.

Peace

Fair enough

[BillyMac]

NFHS Rule 2-11-6

"The scorer shall: ... notify a team and its coach, through an official, whenever that team is granted its final allotted charged time-out."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS Rule 2-11-6

"The scorer shall: ... notify a team and its coach, through an official, whenever that team is granted its final allotted charged time-out."

As BillyMac has posted, an official is required to notify the coach when they have no time-outs remaining. It seems that the officials failed to fulfill a specified duty in this game.

That said, the extra time-out that the team requested is still excessive and must still be penalized with a team technical foul. Just know that this one is the officials' fault. Unfortunately, mistakes happen. Life's not fair sometimes, the game of basketball isn't fair sometimes either. It is a good life lesson.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

As BillyMac has posted, an official is required to notify the coach when they have no time-outs remaining. It seems that the officials failed to fulfill a specified duty in this game.

You sure?

This weekend at a 9th grade tournament, Team b coach asks the official scorekeeper (parent of team A player), how many timeouts he had left. Scorekeeper indicates he has 1 timeout left. Both my partner and I hear him tell him he has 1 timeout left.

[bronco]

I think that the level of basketball has some bearing on this. I'm actually a coach, and at the HS level, I would have absolutely no problem with a technical in this situation, every time. At the grade school level, though, the point of the leagues and tournaments are to teach the game and have fun, a lot of times with parents as volunteers as both coaches and scorekeepers. In that case, even w/o rules backup, I can see an official saying right away that they were out of TOs, and start the game back up. I know there is no mechanic or rule/casebook play to back that up, but I could see it being the best way to handle it at younger levels.

I coached for several years @ the varsity level. I NEVER, NEVER relied on the table for any info, (fouls, time outs, opposing teams fouls or time outs.) My assistants only job during the game was to make sure our book was as accurate if not better then the tables. So when I wanted info I could get it right away and I knew it was reliable.

While it is commendable to keep track of these things on your own, the official book is the official book. It doesn't matter if your asst. coach was more accurate, if there is a dispute about these things the official book takes precedence. So I am not sure how this could effectively prevent problems where the official book has incorrect information on fouls, TOs, etc.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

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You sure?

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Yep, that's what the rule says, Dan.
As for whatever the scorekeeper indicates, I was taught NEVER to leave the game in the hands of the table. Plus with definite knowledge the referee can change anything in the scorebook, so it doesn't matter what the scorer says, it matters what the referee knows.