After Regulaton expires..."T"

[zebraman]

Well my first comment is that any system that allows coaches to have input on officials is screwed up. Your story illustrates exactly why (possible retaliation for an official doing their job).

You'll probably get varying opinions, but I would have done exactly what your partner did. I would not have gone back to the table to have the scorekeeper add a meaningless T. I would have just sent a report to the appropriate person like he did. Accomplishes the same thing, gets it on the record.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Well my first comment is that any system that allows coaches to have input on officials is screwed up. Your story illustrates exactly why (possible retaliation for an official doing their job).

You'll probably get varying opinions, but I would have done exactly what your partner did. I would not have gone back to the table to have the scorekeeper add a meaningless T. I would have just sent a report to the appropriate person like he did. Accomplishes the same thing, gets it on the record.

Unfortunately the State didn't do anything about this, There no reprimand ever given. He won't know if the coach hurts him until the vote comes out.

It's definitely not the best system in the world. Your right this is what we have to put up with not to mention a coach can vote on you without you ever working one of their games.

Whats concerns me the most about this is the fact the coach thinks he can take a shot @ you without fearing the consequences.

Lets look @ it a little different. What if the coach had already gotten a "T" in the game. Then this happens as I described it. Could we legally give him a "T" even though the game has been decided. The "T" now would be his second and would keep him from coaching the next game.

I really don't know the answer and can't find anything on it. Not that this would ever happen, just curious to see if it would still fall in the realm of our jurisdiction.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Lets look @ it a little different. What if the coach had already gotten a "T" in the game. Then this happens as I described it. Could we legally give him a "T" even though the game has been decided. The "T" now would be his second and would keep him from coaching the next game.

I really don't know the answer and can't find anything on it. Not that this would ever happen, just curious to see if it would still fall in the realm of our jurisdiction.

You certainly could. The jurisdiction of the officials does not end until they have all left the visual confines of the playing area.

Case play 2.2.4 Situation A:
The score is Team A-62 and Team B-61 when the horn sounds to end the fourth quarter. Prior to the referee's approval of the final score, the coach of Team A directs obscene gestures at the officials. RULING: A technical foul is charged and the result of the free throws will determine which team wins or whether an extra period is required.

[Texas Aggie]

I think the case play here is very instructive, i.e. specifying "obscene gestures." I won't assert it must be a gesture (as opposed to pure language; obscene language probably applies as well), but I'd say for me, its got to be something more than just spoken words -- unless those words are intolerable (m..f.. etc.).

I don't want to give anyone the idea that I run from trouble (too often, its the opposite), but I think there are times where we just get off the court as quickly as possible and go home. I've seen situations where an official lingers on the court for one reason or another and a fight broke out. NOW, we have some serious problems. In my view, we shouldn't run away from taking care of business that must be taken care of, but absent that, only problems result from going back to make a point.

Besides, you aren't limited in your reports. You can report this even if you didn't call a T. At least, where I work you can.

[zebraman]

I completely agree with Texas Aggie. When the game is over, I locate my partners, take one last look at the scorer's table (to make sure they aren't frantically waving us back for some problem) and get the heck out of there.

[Almost Always Right]

I am not opposed to working post-season games, whatever the process!!
Having that said, I will take being able to sleep @ night for $800 Alex.
This coach disrespectfully addresses "during" the game.(We still have jurisdiction), therefore, my "T" would have been flagrant(whether it was their 1st or 2nd). This has nothing to do with coaching the kids or the game of basketball. It is a personal attack for the job you did on that game. Put it on the books as a flagrant and let him set out next game and think about how ridiculous he acted. I realize that this may seem kind of harsh, but you can plead your case to the IHSAA afterwards. There is no way that they would side with the coach after all the evidence has been presented; even if you look below average on the film.
Take integrity over post-season everytime!!(Wow, that is a tough one)
TR
p.s. Indiana needs 2 things - You need to quit having to pimp your own games and you need to go to three person mechanics, in ALL V games. Good luck ya'll - You are VERY strong for dealing and flourishing in that environment!!

[Adam]

Apparently, the state wanted you to give the T in this situation. I know in Iowa, we were told that any time the coach threatened you with a rating, it is an automatic T. I can't remember if it was supposed to be flagrant, but I'm thinking it was. Junker, can you clarify?
I know personally, it's at minimum an automatic T as long as I can give it and still be within the rules. Judging from your post, that's how the state of Indiana wants it done as well.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Almost Always Right

I am not opposed to working post-season games, whatever the process!!
Having that said, I will take being able to sleep @ night for $800 Alex.
This coach disrespectfully addresses "during" the game.(We still have jurisdiction), therefore, my "T" would have been flagrant(whether it was their 1st or 2nd). This has nothing to do with coaching the kids or the game of basketball. It is a personal attack for the job you did on that game. Put it on the books as a flagrant and let him set out next game and think about how ridiculous he acted. I realize that this may seem kind of harsh, but you can plead your case to the IHSAA afterwards. There is no way that they would side with the coach after all the evidence has been presented; even if you look below average on the film.
Take integrity over post-season everytime!!(Wow, that is a tough one)
TR
p.s. Indiana needs 2 things - You need to quit having to pimp your own games and you need to go to three person mechanics, in ALL V games. Good luck ya'll - You are VERY strong for dealing and flourishing in that environment!!

Just about there on the 3 person mechanics. Just about all of the schools in my area of Indiana have gone to 3. Slowly we have assignors taking over conference's which keeps us from scheduling ourselves and so far out. We have games scheduled out to 2010-2011. Until the entire state goes to assignors it will be left up to us to get our own games.