Jump Ball strange one

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Would 6-3-7-c apply?
"ART. 7 . . . Neither jumper shall: ... c. Catch the jump ball."

What he said
But also it is completely the opinion of the official in a situation like this if it is a try - you can call it a shot or try if you want but you will have to beat the tape on it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Would 6-3-7-c apply?
"ART. 7 . . . Neither jumper shall: ... c. Catch the jump ball."

Nope, if you catch it, you will then turn it into a "thrown ball" anyway as per rule 5-2-1(violation aside, of course). A "thrown ball" is a 3 too.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

What he said
But also it is completely the opinion of the official in a situation like this if it is a try - you can call it a shot or try if you want but you will have to beat the tape on it.

Does the tape read minds?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does the tape read minds?

Sometimes I think that the evaluators hire Mis Cleo to look at the tapes.

I see where you are comming from and agree that it would be neat to award the three points - but you set a precident that may haunt you later -

Ex. Same game where off the opening jump ball you awarded a three-point basket for the "TAP"
4th quarter with 2 seconds to go in the game team A down 2 bringing the ball up in the back court, the ball gets away from A2 and with B2 and B3 closing in on the ball A2 swings his/her hand to tap the ball forward and hits it hard enough that it flys down court hits the backboard and goes it the basket.
Does Team A win or do we have overtime?

of course your moment on ESPN is guaranteed for life if your game ever has this.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Sometimes I think that the evaluators hire Mis Cleo to look at the tapes.

I see where you are comming from and agree that it would be neat to award the three points - but you set a precident that may haunt you later -

Ex. Same game where off the opening jump ball you awarded a three-point basket for the "TAP"
4th quarter with 2 seconds to go in the game team A down 2 bringing the ball up in the back court, the ball gets away from A2 and with B2 and B3 closing in on the ball A2 swings his/her hand to tap the ball forward and hits it hard enough that it flys down court hits the backboard and goes it the basket.
Does Team A win or do we have overtime?

of course your moment on ESPN is guaranteed for life if your game ever has this.

Score 3, game over.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, if you catch it, you will then turn it into a "thrown ball" anyway as per rule 5-2-1(violation aside, of course). A "thrown ball" is a 3 too.

I was thinking that if the ball was under control, then the player has caught it, so has violated and the basket is neither a 3 nor a 2, but a 0.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Sometimes I think that the evaluators hire Mis Cleo to look at the tapes.

I see where you are comming from and agree that it would be neat to award the three points - but you set a precident that may haunt you later -

Ex. Same game where off the opening jump ball you awarded a three-point basket for the "TAP"
4th quarter with 2 seconds to go in the game team A down 2 bringing the ball up in the back court, the ball gets away from A2 and with B2 and B3 closing in on the ball A2 swings his/her hand to tap the ball forward and hits it hard enough that it flys down court hits the backboard and goes it the basket.
Does Team A win or do we have overtime?

of course your moment on ESPN is guaranteed for life if your game ever has this.

Easy here, 3 points. Closing seconds, one can easily surmise that the player was trying to get it into the basket.
In fact, if he hits it that hard, I'm willing to make the judgment that he was trying to score, no matter when in the game it happens.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Sometimes I think that the evaluators hire Mis Cleo to look at the tapes.

I see where you are comming from and agree that it would be neat to award the three points - but you set a precident that may haunt you later -

Ex. Same game where off the opening jump ball you awarded a three-point basket for the "TAP"
4th quarter with 2 seconds to go in the game team A down 2 bringing the ball up in the back court, the ball gets away from A2 and with B2 and B3 closing in on the ball A2 swings his/her hand to tap the ball forward and hits it hard enough that it flys down court hits the backboard and goes it the basket.
Does Team A win or do we have overtime?

of course your moment on ESPN is guaranteed for life if your game ever has this.

It's a three. It doesn't matter if it's a try. It only matters where A touched it last (assuming the ball doesn't hit the floor between the time A touches it and the ball goes in the basket). See all the cases 5.2.1A through 5.2.1D

[Gimlet25id]

There are 3 case plays that justify scoring the basket 3 points ill regardless if it was a try or not.

Case play 5.2.1 Sit. B "....A ball that is thrown into a teams own goal from behind the 3 point arc scores 3 points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for goal."

Case play 5.2.1 Sit. C A1 throws the ball from behind the 3 point line. The ball is legally touched (same as touched during jump ball) by (c) A2 who is in the 3 point area.....Ruling In (c) score 3 points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred behind the 3 point line.

Case play 5.2.1 Sit. D ....the fact it was not a tap or a try for goal does not effect the scoring of 2 points. (In our play scenario it was a ball that went in after being hit behind the 3 point line.)

[OHBBREF]

Okay you win!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

There are 3 case plays that justify scoring the basket 3 points ill regardless if it was a try or not.

Case play 5.2.1 Sit. B "....A ball that is thrown into a teams own goal from behind the 3 point arc scores 3 points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for goal."

Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy would say, "What is someone sick?"

You don't need anything besides the word "regardless" there. See the first Case play that you cited for an example of correct usage.

[tjones1]

Ahhhh, already we miss our dear friend Chuck.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy would say, "What is someone sick?"

You don't need anything besides the word "regardless" there. See the first Case play that you cited for an example of correct usage.

Thanks for the help. Feels good to be back in school...by the way I already know I suck @ this english/grammer thing. Appreciate the motivation!

[Nevadaref]

Don't think that we are picking on you. This is just one of the ways that we have some fun with each other on here. See JR making fun of my spelling of "waive" in the NFHS Question 68 thread. Besides it does help to better our writing skills as we discuss basketball officiating. Since we are striving to improve that aspect of ourselves, why not improve ourselves overall at the same time?

BTW, you nailed the FT lane space question about the team only having one player left! Nice work.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Don't think that we are picking on you. This is just one of the ways that we have some fun with each other on here. See JR making fun of my spelling of "waive" in the NFHS Question 68 thread. Besides it does help to better our writing skills as we discuss basketball officiating. Since we are striving to improve that aspect of ourselves, why not improve ourselves overall at the same time?

BTW, you nailed the FT lane space question about the team only having one player left! Nice work.

It's all good. If this gets to me then I better just give the whistle up as well. I enjoy the back and forth. Gets the brian in gear for the season.