You make the call.

[Gimlet25id]

High School Game

After halftime the first horn has sounded. All 5 players come out to start the 3rd quarter. The second horn sounds . As the offficial is getting ready to administer the throw in, the coach from the "A" team informs the officials that one of the players #32 has already played 6 quarters between the JV and Varsity games and can't play anymore and that he needs to sub # 32. The oppossing coach says that a sub can't be made without penalty because a sub wasn't ready and didn't report before the first horn. What do you do by rule?

[Scrapper1]

By rule, we as officials aren't concerned with the number of quarters a player has played. By rule, we are not concerned with the eligibility (due to playing time, or grades, or any "off-the-court" issues) of any player. By rule, the kid can't be subbed out unless a sub had already reported before the warning horn sounded 15 seconds before the end of the intermission.

In real life, I'm going to appeal to Coach B's better nature and ask him not to wreck a kid's future eligibility for no reason. (He'd have to be a real jerk to refuse.) In real life, if there WAS a sub at the table in time, then I'm going to "realize" that the wrong kid subbed out.

If neither of those options is available, I think the kid has to be considered a player until the first opportunity to sub.

[Nevadaref]

1. There is no 6 quarter rule in the NFHS book, but there may be in your local area or league.

2. In my area we are instructed that the game officials are not to worry about such a requirement. The school administrators handle it and if they can't agree, they take it to the state office. We simply play the game. However, your area may be different and you have to follow what your people tell you to enforce. IOW it may be your job to deal with such a thing where you are.

3. There is no penalty in the book for a late substitution. The official is simply not supposed to allow it. What if the official does allow it?

4. There are ways around this issue that fit within the rules. The coach may request and be granted a time-out prior to the ball becoming live to start the quarter and then he may legally substitute for his player. This would prevent a forfeit or the kid being punished by the league for playing illegally.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. There is no 6 quarter rule in the NFHS book, but there may be in your local area or league.

2. In my area we are instructed that the game officials are not to worry about such a requirement. The school administrators handle it and if they can't agree, they take it to the state office. We simply play the game. However, your area may be different and you have to follow what your people tell you to enforce. IOW it may be your job to deal with such a thing where you are.

3. There is no penalty in the book for a late substitution. The official is simply not supposed to allow it. What if the official does allow it?

4. There are ways around this issue that fit within the rules. The coach may request and be granted a time-out prior to the ball becoming live to start the quarter and then he may legally substitute for his player. This would prevent a forfeit or the kid being punished by the league for playing illegally.

The time out is the key in this play. We don't want the player to sacrifice his/her next game. So we need a sub legally. The only was is to tell the coach of the A team to call a time out and replace the player.

The play that I listed happened to one of my friends in a high school game. He assessed a T. On the basis that the opposing coach had a valid argument. I wanted to post this thinking this could come up somewhere else.

Time out allows subs to come in that weren't in the game before time ran of the clock.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

The time out is the key in this play. We don't want the player to sacrifice his/her next game. So we need a sub legally. The only was is to tell the coach of the A team to call a time out and replace the player.

The play that I listed happened to one of my friends in a high school game. He assessed a T. On the basis that the opposing coach had a valid argument. I wanted to post this thinking this could come up somewhere else.

Time out allows subs to come in that weren't in the game before time ran of the clock.

I'd have to say that your friend was incorrect to assess a technical foul. Technical fouls are based upon a specific rule being broken, not upon whether or not a coach has a valid argument.

In checking the book for you (and your friend), the ONLY rules basis that I could possibly see for assessing a T here are:

10-1-5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:
...
b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play.

and

10-3-6 . . . Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.


Both of those would be a stretch.

So I must ask, to whom did your friend charge the technical foul? Was it to the player, to the team, to the head coach?

[Gimlet25id]

There was no way by rule he could have assessed a T. However he assessed a administrative team T for failure to have all the players returning to the floor @ the same time.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

High School Game

After halftime the first horn has sounded. All 5 players come out to start the 3rd quarter. The second horn sounds . As the offficial is getting ready to administer the throw in, the coach from the "A" team informs the officials that one of the players #32 has already played 6 quarters between the JV and Varsity games and can't play anymore and that he needs to sub # 32. The oppossing coach says that a sub can't be made without penalty because a sub wasn't ready and didn't report before the first horn. What do you do by rule?

Leave it alone, you have no jurisdiction in that situation.

[FrankHtown]

Really. How do you know if Coach A is incorrect and is just working you? Especially if #32 is the star of Team B. I'd leave that alone and let Team A file an official protest with their State Association.

[Gimlet25id]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Leave it alone, you have no jurisdiction in that situation.

We can't leave it alone. We have a sub who needs to come in. The question is how to get the sub in legally?

[Jurassic Referee]

[QUOTE=Gimlet25id]

We can't leave it alone. We have a sub who needs to come in. The question is how to get the sub in legally?

And the answer is to use rule 3-3-1.

[Gimlet25id]

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

And the answer is to use rule 3-3-1.

Well thats what we want to use. How ever the was not @ the table before the first warning horn. The opposing coach know that you just can't bring a sub in that hasn't reported unless for injury, blood, contact, uniform. In this case none of this happenned. So in the case book 3.3.1 sit B covers what to do.

Just tell the coach to call a time out and then he can get he sub in. We all know the the 6 Quarter rule isn't in the NFHS book. However if the opposing coach doesn't care about it and thinks that the coach shouldn't have allowed the player to start the quarter then his argument is valid that the official can't just allow a sub in with out a TO being called.

[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE=Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well thats what we want to use. How ever the was not @ the table before the first warning horn. The opposing coach know that you just can't bring a sub in that hasn't reported unless for injury, blood, contact, uniform. In this case none of this happenned.

Those are all reasons a player is (at least temporarily) not eligible to play. So is the "6 quarters rule". Bring in the sub. Tell the complaining coach to take it up with the conference.