Right way to handle this situation?

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Both of these questions are answered in 2.10.1A

The posts by Scrapper1 and BktBallRef shows that there are some questions.

Consider the following after team A is erroneously not awarded FTs and given a throw-in instead. After the throw-in,

a) Team B swats the ball out of bounds without gaining team control.
b) There is a held ball with the arrow pointing to A.
c) There is a held ball with the arrow pointing to B.
d) There is a foul by B1.
e) There is a foul by A1.

In each case, we have a dead ball and team B has not obtained team control. Which constitute a loss of team possession for the purposes of 2.10? I'd say a, b, and d, but I'll be darned if I could back it up with a rule or definition from the book.

Thoughts?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Lotto

The posts by Scrapper1 and BktBallRef shows that there are some questions.

Consider the following after team A is erroneously not awarded FTs and given a throw-in instead. After the throw-in,

a) Team B swats the ball out of bounds without gaining team control.
b) There is a held ball with the arrow pointing to A.
c) There is a held ball with the arrow pointing to B.
d) There is a foul by B1.
e) There is a foul by A1.

In each case, we have a dead ball and team B has not obtained team control. Which constitute a loss of team possession for the purposes of 2.10? I'd say a, b, and d, but I'll be darned if I could back it up with a rule or definition from the book.

Thoughts?

b) and c) are clearly answered in 2.10.1A -- c) is "change of posession"; b) isn't.

Based on that, I'd say a) and d) aren't; e) is. It would also be change of posession if A caused the ball to go OOB.

[OHBBREF]

I see what you are saying
I am in the middle of four things missed it.
Was outside my primary!

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

b) and c) are clearly answered in 2.10.1A -- c) is "change of posession"; b) isn't.

Based on that, I'd say a) and d) aren't; e) is. It would also be change of possession if A caused the ball to go OOB.

I agree with you, even though the NCAA rulebook doesn't have case plays that parallel the Fed rulebook. (Girls here in NY use NCAA rules, with some modifications.) However, it would be nice if there were a formal definition of possession in the rulebook. I like Cameron's summary---maybe that should be the official language that's adopted!

[Nevadaref]

I remembered that we discussed this about a year ago and thought that Bob Jenkins provided an elegant definition of that term. So I went and used the search engine and look what popped up!

A Correctable Error fine point