The Superintendent Husband

[Junker]

Agreed, he needs to be on the bench. I must have been unclear. If he's up coaching his players, I'll ask the HC to get him on the bench. If he's up complaining, I'll sit him down with a T. Assistants are there to coach and as an esteemed forum member always states, we have to talk to Batman, but not Robin. My main point was that I would never stop the game to give a warning in a situation like this.

[deecee]

tome I hardly ever have any issues in my high school games. i make my line known clear and early. I think the 5 T's ive called in 4 years is a lot. I mean a T should be earned and most Ts can be avoided with preventative officiating.

you make a tough call and you know its tough and the last 3 similarly tough calls all went against the same coach -- well i report and I stay away from him -- why? because experience has taught me HE WILL BE man and if he wants to say something to me he will have to say it loud enough where its not just him and me that hear it.

There are some magic comments and words that will get them rung up asap but once again I have something working for me that helps -- size -- I dont intimidate but a lot of coaches are about half a foot to a foot shorter -- IMO it helps a lot when you are taller -- other reasons too.

[Jimgolf]

If you are officiating an eighth-grade game early in the season, be aware that you may run into inexpereinced coaches. A short meeting before the game to establish the ground rules is wise here, especially if you don't know the coaches involved. "I see you have two coaches on the bench. Who is the head coach? Ok, remember that you're the only one permitted to stand during the game according to the rules," etc.

Be prepared and you won't be surprised.

As far as the super-intendent question by the AD, I would have asked the AD why he had coaches that don't know the rule book. I guess I wouldn't be working there again, LOL.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by deecee

...most Ts can be avoided with preventative officiating.

My BS flag is flying higher than ever! You know why this is BS? Because the T's I call don't have anything to do with something that I can prevent. What am I supposed to do to prevent unsporting behavior? Someone said something (in this thread or another) about a coach being on his knees or running out on to the floor. What do you do to prevent that? What do I do to prevent a kid from saying my partner's call is BS? If the assistant mentioned got up and complained to the official, what could be done to prevent that from happening?

I have got to be misunderstanding you. Yep, that's it, I don't understand what you are saying.

[Ref_ Fred]

True Rookie, I commend you for sharing... I've been officiating for 6 season, start my 7th. I have a log book of issue that I have experienced for every game I have officiated or watcthed and dated. I can tell you from 6 years that I have completed I almost have 3 composition books completed and I don't have a one repeat issue in there so it goes to show you we can learn something everyday whether you have 2 years or 20, trust me.

Good Luck!

[deecee]

Maybe I am just different but I can for see a possible volatile situation on the horizon and attempt to fix it before it gets there. Thats just me.

A player says my partnerscall was bullpoop and well that will get him a T.

I have seen many Ts given that in my opinion shouldn't have because

a) the officials didnt try and defuse anything that led up to the T
b) the officials put themselves in those situations to give the T rather than reading the situation -- referring to the you know the coach is pissed so you report and just give him a look like 'what now?' -- aka leading
c) overly judicious officials
d) officials with no common sense

most T's I have seen have fallen under those categories. I can remember all 5 T's I have given

1 -- player just shoves an opponent in the back during a screen away from the ball (flagrant was to harsh -- I thought maybe even the T was to harsh since the player only was moved about a foot --but the T had to be called because the game was going down the wrong direction)
2 -- double T during jump ball -- player getting up from on top the player gently nudges the player below him who gets up and shoves him back.
3 -- coach getting blown out was frustrated and for 1 whole quarter was just being a pain in the a$$ -- i tried to reason but when that failed I hated to but at least it got him sitting and quiet
4 -- my partner makes a call and is walking away and coach says "what a horsepoop call and everyone knows it" -- I waited a second to see if my partner heard it so he could deal with it then I dealt with it.
5 -- Player passes the ball to the 6th player in the 3rd row of the bleacher and gets upset with himself so he yells out "f___" well it was loud enough for me to hear it about 10 feet away (couldve probably heard it 20 feet away) so it cost him.

SO there I was wrong 6 total T's in 4 years. All I am saying when you start getting those cheap shots in your game and players elbowing and shoving its because YOU didnt set them straight with how YOU were going to call the game. as an official a game gets out of control because of YOU not the players -- you know a game will be physical nip it early -- "Hands off red" next time you have to say that *tweet* foul -- this goes for post play away from the ball -- off ball calls helps a lot. Next thing you know the players that play overly aggressive now have a couple fouls early and have to adjust. You let blue shove red in the post now red think he can shove blue back -- now THEY push the line back because you were not firm.

You can prevent a lot of T's by being aware of the game -- you notice 2 players getting physical tell them to knock it off lound enough so they both hear you -- dead ball get up in their face and tell them to cut it out. Now start blowing your whistle. If these same 2 players somehow get "entangled up" and its close enough to be either one -- double foul. Its always best however to get the FIRST offense but once two players are at it give em both a foul. THEY WILL ADJUST. By the time you have to give the T you have lost control.

so you can prevent unsporting behavior in many instances...

as for the coaches you can only really WORK with those that some some sort of reason and common sense built into them -- otherwise you are wasting your time -- my 2 cents.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

I have seen many Ts given that in my opinion shouldn't have because

1 -- player just shoves an opponent in the back during a screen away from the ball (flagrant was to harsh -- I thought maybe even the T was to harsh since the player only was moved about a foot --but the T had to be called because the game was going down the wrong direction)
2 -- double T during jump ball -- player getting up from on top the player gently nudges the player below him who gets up and shoves him back.


SO there I was wrong 6 total T's in 4 years. All I am saying when you start getting those cheap shots in your game and players elbowing and shoving its because YOU didnt set them straight with how YOU were going to call the game. as an official a game gets out of control because of YOU not the players -- you know a game will be physical nip it early -- "Hands off red" next time you have to say that *tweet* foul -- this goes for post play away from the ball -- off ball calls helps a lot. Next thing you know the players that play overly aggressive now have a couple fouls early and have to adjust. You let blue shove red in the post now red think he can shove blue back -- now THEY push the line back because you were not firm.

Agree....and you just posted two examples where a technical foul couldn't and shouldn't be called, by rule. In both #1 & 2 above, you had live-ball contact fouls. Those are personal fouls of some type, never a technical foul. Technical fouls are dead-ball contact fouls. A shove in the back during a screen is personal foul. And a nudge immediately followed by retaliation during a jump ball would be a double personal foul.

You control the game by calling intentional or flagrant personal fouls if the play is getting too rough. Elbowing, pushing and shoving during play are personal fouls, not technical fouls.

Just wanted to straighten out the technicalities, not the technicals.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Junker

Agreed, he needs to be on the bench. I must have been unclear. If he's up coaching his players, I'll ask the HC to get him on the bench. If he's up complaining, I'll sit him down with a T. Assistants are there to coach and as an esteemed forum member always states, we have to talk to Batman, but not Robin. My main point was that I would never stop the game to give a warning in a situation like this.

I do agree with you here, you made it clear for me.

[truerookie]

All who replied,
Thanks for the vast knowledge given on this subject. At no time, I said the way I handle the situation was ideal. I had a situation and I handle it based on the level of experience I have. I now have additional tools in which I can use in my officiating toolbox. I wanted to share a situation I encountered with fellow officials.