Call it or not?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

As for the swinging elbows AND making contact with an opposing player, would a Technical Foul or Intentional Foul be warranted here? Does it depend on circumstances or the severity of the foul?

It doesn't depend on the severity of the act. A technical foul would have to occur during a dead ball in this situation. It could be an intentional or flagrant foul. It just depends how you viewed the act of the player. See 4-19 (p. 32).

Edit: Or see JR, since he clearly beat me!

[Chess Ref]

Teaching moment here for me. So if we have two knuckleheads going at it while the ball is live we have a flagrant personal foul.

Can't find last years rulebook to look this up. What signal would I use for a flagrant personal foul ? What are the penaltys for personal flagrant fouls ?

[Ignats75]

Arms crossed is the signal for both intentional and flagerant fouls. I've only called 2 flagerant fouls in 4 years. Lots of Intentional ones though. Who wants to do all the paperwork with the state association for the ejections.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Arms crossed is the signal for both intentional and flagerant fouls.

Um, no. There is no approved signal for a flagrant foul, whether it's a personal or technical flagrant foul. The one most commonly used is the ol' umpire's heave-ho signal. The crossed-arms signal is for intentional fouls only.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Can't find last years rulebook to look this up. What signal would I use for a flagrant personal foul ? What are the penaltys for personal flagrant fouls ?

As per post above, there is no official signal for a flagrant foul. You either verbalize it or you can give the beisbol umpire's heave-ho signal.
The penalty is always disqualification. If it's part of a double flagrant foul, no foul shots for either flagrant foul and go to the POI.