The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 08:57am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Racine, Wisconsin
Posts: 1,081
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I don't think it was meant in a derogatory fashion, Mick. I think he's saying that officiating Women's basketball is just as important and just as much of an accomplishment as working Men's ball; even if some Men's officials might not agree with that.


That is exactly what I meant by that statement. Some men's officials look down at women's officials as second rate and being a women's official I take offense to that. I have worked very hard and attended numerous camps to climb up the college officiating ladder. The women's side can also be quite competitive to get hired, the camps I attend have anywhere from 150-175 officials in attendance. If you choose men’s or women’s basketball just be proud that you are a college basketball official, some officials never get work a varsity game let alone a NCAA D3, D2, or D1 game.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 09:07am
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
Posts: 20,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
I hope none of these folks is that Greek guy who was hitting on Jurrassic in another thread
Hitting on me?

Musta missed that one.....which was probably good.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 09:30am
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 13,866
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Hitting on me?

Musta missed that one.....which was probably good.
The moderators didn't. I searched for it but it was deleted. No evidence means it never happened.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 09:33am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 944
Quote:
Originally Posted by Junker
I don't have to make this decision now, but it got me thinking about which side I want to work. I'm about 50/50 on which to do.
Current thought seems to think this is not a choice, but that it's pre-determined. "Not that there's anything wrong with it."
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 09:42am
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Houghton, U.P., Michigan
Posts: 9,953
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I agree with your ads and disads, although I will say that I agree with Mick about the comraderie.
Thanks, Chuck.
But, I was talking about camaraderie.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 09:44am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Western Mass.
Posts: 9,104
Send a message via AIM to ChuckElias
Quote:
Originally Posted by mick
Thanks, Chuck.
But, I was talking about camaraderie.
Yeah, yeah. It's so cold here that my numb fingers couldn't find the extra "a".
__________________
Any NCAA rules and interpretations in this post are relevant for men's games only!
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 11:14am
Esteemed Participant
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 4,775
Quote:
Originally Posted by Junker
All right Chuck, I've been around the board for 3 years and I have to know....how tall are you? Really? Thanks for the opinions. I appreciate it.
He's just a hair shorter than me!!

And Junker, I was in the same position about 12 years ago...I chose Women's ball mainly for the camaraderie issue...at that time, the Men's side of things out here was kind of a mess. None of the officials would travel together, none went out to dinner after games...everything was a big pi$$ing match...that's not true anymore, but at the time I wanted no part of that.

One thing I will disagree with is that Women's ball is not as physical...that may be true in some cases, but some of the most brutal ball I have reffed has been lower level college women's ball!
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 11:21am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 9,466
Send a message via AIM to rainmaker
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockyroad
One thing I will disagree with is that Women's ball is not as physical...that may be true in some cases, but some of the most brutal ball I have reffed has been lower level college women's ball!
Which, btw, makes lower level college women's ball not the best training grounds for most other refs, imo. I wen't to quite a few games at a local college here near where I live, and I always left more confused than I was when I went in (which is really saying something!) In my first few years, I didn't understand the variations in philosophy between the different levels and how to apply advantage/disadvantage to the different styles of game. I finally quit watching college women's ball (anything not on TV), because it was so different from what I was doing that I couldn't learn much. I'm not saying not to watch it, just to realize that the styles of reffing are much, much different.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 11:34am
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
Posts: 20,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockyroad
He's just a hair shorter than me!!
Yeah, this one....

Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 12:18pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 29,384
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
That is exactly what I meant by that statement. Some men's officials look down at women's officials as second rate and being a women's official I take offense to that. I have worked very hard and attended numerous camps to climb up the college officiating ladder. The women's side can also be quite competitive to get hired, the camps I attend have anywhere from 150-175 officials in attendance. If you choose men’s or women’s basketball just be proud that you are a college basketball official, some officials never get work a varsity game let alone a NCAA D3, D2, or D1 game.
If you are that concerned with what people think about you, then that is a problem all by itself. You are never going to change how people view one side or the other. I worked a tournament that happened to be associated with a Women's D1 camp. I was working games for pay next to games that were apart of the camp. I heard officials get so defensive when you I told them I did not work Women's basketball. I heard comments like, "Women's basketball is the real basketball the way Naismith wanted the game to be called." Or comments like, "We use the NBA mechanics and you are still living in the past." No matter what you say officials are very territorial about which side they work. I will say this, most the Women's officials that I know as a whole tend to be less experienced then their Men's official’s counterparts. I know female officials that worked college within their 2 and 3 years of overall officiating that have D3 experience. I have been working 10 years and I have yet to get a shot at the D3 level along with many other officials I have worked with. And the JUCO conference I work, I am by far one of the least experienced officials around. You have to be confident in your own ability and your own choice. This is why this is completely a personal choice and you cannot officiate one side or the other based on what others are thinking.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 12:40pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Racine, Wisconsin
Posts: 1,081
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge
If you are that concerned with what people think about you, then that is a problem all by itself. You are never going to change how people view one side or the other. I worked a tournament that happened to be associated with a Women's D1 camp. I was working games for pay next to games that were apart of the camp. I heard officials get so defensive when you I told them I did not work Women's basketball. I heard comments like, "Women's basketball is the real basketball the way Naismith wanted the game to be called." Or comments like, "We use the NBA mechanics and you are still living in the past." No matter what you say officials are very territorial about which side they work. I will say this, most the Women's officials that I know as a whole tend to be less experienced then their Men's official’s counterparts. I know female officials that worked college within their 2 and 3 years of overall officiating that have D3 experience. I have been working 10 years and I have yet to get a shot at the D3 level along with many other officials I have worked with. And the JUCO conference I work, I am by far one of the least experienced officials around. You have to be confident in your own ability and your own choice. This is why this is completely a personal choice and you cannot officiate one side or the other based on what others are thinking.

Peace
JRut,

So you were at the ABOC Camp in Elgin, IL?
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 12:42pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Western Mass.
Posts: 9,104
Send a message via AIM to ChuckElias
Now playing first base, Bugs Bunny. Second base, Bugs Bunny. Third base, Bugs Bunny. . .
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Wham! A homah! WHAM! Anothah homah! WHAM! WHAM! WHAM!!!

Sorry, wrong thread. But it is one of my all-time favorite cartoons.
__________________
Any NCAA rules and interpretations in this post are relevant for men's games only!
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 12:54pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 29,384
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
JRut,

So you were at the ABOC Camp in Elgin, IL?
I was at the Nike Cup for two days (in July) in Schaumburg at the Sport Center. I have no idea what camp it was, I was not a camper. I did talk to campers and I also knew some of them personally and there were sites at Elgin and one other place I do not remember. I just know it was run by Patty Broderick from all accounts.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 02:47pm
Huck Finn
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 3,347
Rut,
I know a girl who might have been at that camp. She moved to Vegas 4 seasons ago and had to work at getting varsity games. She recently moved to Indianapolis because she is now in several conferences and had 70 D1 games this season the last time I talked to her.
__________________
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 17, 2006, 03:19pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 29,384
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomegun
Rut,
I know a girl who might have been at that camp. She moved to Vegas 4 seasons ago and had to work at getting varsity games. She recently moved to Indianapolis because she is now in several conferences and had 70 D1 games this season the last time I talked to her.
I did not work with any campers. Everyone I worked with was getting paid and we worked 2 man for all of our games. There were officials there that were all over the country. Patty assigns officials from all over the country in several conferences.

Another reason Women's basketball is very different from Men's basketball, is the fact that the people that assign Division 1 Conferences in Women's basketball can impress basically one person and they are in. In Men's Basketball you have to impress one person per conference. The one person that I am aware of that has multiple conferences similar to the system in Women's basketball is Dale Kelley. This affects greatly who moves up and who does not.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Women's Football deeno27 Football 2 Mon Mar 29, 2004 02:16am
Men's vs. Women's rules ChuckElias Basketball 21 Tue Jan 06, 2004 02:39pm
Women's Final Vs. Men's Final rainmaker Basketball 20 Wed Apr 09, 2003 07:44pm
UT vs UT women's end of game mdray Basketball 13 Tue Dec 24, 2002 02:57am
Women's bonus ? Bart Tyson Basketball 10 Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:57am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:09am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1