Double Lane Violation??

[Dan_ref]

OK, OK, OK everybody just calm down. Time to inject a little reality here...

Yes, by rule this third world play is a double violation. But there is no way I am going to keep silently counting to 10 while B1 is standing in the middle of the lane staring at the shooter, A1 is staring at the ball not knowing what comes next and both coaches are staring at me wondering why I'm letting this continue. To begin with at some point in those 10 seconds A1 & B1 will exchange unpleasantries. Blow the whistle, make sure B1 isn't having some sort of seizure or religious experience & start again.

OK, you can continue throwing your rule books at each other now.

[mkg1025]

Im a coach, and as many of you know we dont know all the rules , and i cant find my rule book anywhere(imagine that), can someone post the rule regarding disconcertion and rule 2.3, I would appreciate it. Thanks alot.

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

First, Ronref, if you make a joke, use a :0 so we'll know. This is especially necessary when your "joke" can be read as your actual intent.interpretation/answer.

Second, can you have disconcertion if the shooter if the shooter never shoots the ball?

Sorry, I didn't know about the :0 (Joke signal).

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mkg1025

Im a coach, and as many of you know we dont know all the rules , and i cant find my rule book anywhere(imagine that), can someone post the rule regarding disconcertion and rule 2.3, I would appreciate it. Thanks alot.

Disconcertion is when an opponent attempts to distract the shooter of a FT by movement or noise. Judgement call.

2.3 amounts to when you don't know what to do next do whatever comes to mind.

Actually it says the referee (not the umpires) can act on anything not covered in the rules, so you had better know the rules inside outside forwards and backwards if you want to correctly act under 2.3

[Jimgolf]

Standing in the lane in front of the shooter is unsportsmanlike conduct, plain and simple. I would check to see if the player was having some kind of siezure. If not, we're shooting some extra free throws.

If this is deliberate, this is attempting to make a mockery of the game, and shouldn't be tolerated.

I doubt too many would actually count to 10 on this unless they were dying to call a simultaneous violation. I suspect most of you would say something to the player or the coach. I can only imagine what the player's coach would be howling all this time.

[mkg1025]

Unsportsmanlike conduct seems a bit excessive. I heard a longtime college coach for a DII school speak at a small clinic, and he had used it several times, and had been succesful in getting the ball back each time. I was just wondering what different officials though of it. I guess it depends on what kind of official you have, some one who is very techinical, or a real tough guy, on which way its interpreted and called, to call it unsportsmanlike and classify it in the same category as fighting, swearing, and taunting is a bit overboard.

[mkg1025]

Must there be an attempt for it to be considered disconcertion??

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by mkg1025

Must there be an attempt for it to be considered disconcertion??

What if the team b player runs and tackles the shooter...disconcertion? No shot taken, I think we can have disconcertion without a shot!

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by mkg1025

I heard a longtime college coach for a DII school speak at a small clinic, and he had used it several times, and had been succesful in getting the ball back each time.

Used what? Standing in the lane? How did he get the ball back?

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Used what? Standing in the lane? How did he get the ball back?

The coach used mind control!

[mkg1025]

He got the ball back for his team, when he instructed his player to go stand in the lane, then a double lane violation was called, his team got the ball back. Anymore brain busters. Or is this what you do all day, sit on here and try and put people down and try and pick apart each scenario, you sound like a real winner, do you live with your mom still, oh wait let me guess you pay her $25 a week for rent, and you mow the lawn, keep up the good work buddy. Im sure you are a great official, Im sure that condescending sarcastic personality of yours makes you a pleasure to work with.

[mkg1025]

Chuck, the original post, is where a player stands in the lane from the opposing team during the free throw and the shooter doesnt shoot because they are confused about what is going on, from what i have been told its a double violation(lane and 10 sec(on the shooter)) and you go to the arrow, but as you can see it is up for debate.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by mkg1025

He got the ball back for his team, when he instructed his player to go stand in the lane, then a double lane violation was called, his team got the ball back. Anymore brain busters. Or is this what you do all day, sit on here and try and put people down and try and pick apart each scenario, you sound like a real winner, do you live with your mom still, oh wait let me guess you pay her $25 a week for rent, and you mow the lawn, keep up the good work buddy. Im sure you are a great official, Im sure that condescending sarcastic personality of yours makes you a pleasure to work with.

Whoa! Where the heck did this come from? Ron's comment about tackling the FT shooter is, in fact, a case where you'd have disconcertion without actually shooting a FT. My question was a genuine one and the response about mind control was obviously in jest. As my daughter might say with her pre-teen coolness: "over-react much?"

Chuck, the original post, is where a player stands in the lane from the opposing team during the free throw and the shooter doesnt shoot because they are confused about what is going on, from what i have been told its a double violation(lane and 10 sec(on the shooter)) and you go to the arrow.

Ok, I guess I can see that. But #1, I can't imagine that strategy actually working. As Dan said, how many of us are going to let it happen? And #2, I can't imagine any coach being that aware of the double violation rule and using it properly in a situation where it really mattered. So I didn't make the connection that you were talking about a coach actually using this exact scenario in a game. Sorry.

[mkg1025]

Bob Pratt, Coach at Saginaw Valley State University, now retired, hes still a professor there, if you want to look up his email adress im sure its listed at the website.

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by mkg1025

Bob Pratt, Coach at Saginaw Valley State University, now retired, hes still a professor there, if you want to look up his email adress im sure its listed at the website.

I thought I saw this play during the movie Hoosiers, Dennis Hopper tells the kids don't catch yourself watching the paint dry!