Bill Lambieer WNBA Playoffs

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

I don't care if they are D1, if you watch the games, it's one lousy call after another. How do I know that? I have the benefit of instant replay. I watch a huge amount of D1 basketball, and have always been impressed with the quality of the officiating. I might watch several D1 games in a row before I even see a call that looks funny, then the tape almost always backs up the Ref. Not so with the WNBA playoffs. You can watch a game and see several questionable calls per game.

And therein lies your problem...you are trying to compare NCAA games and WNBA games...the officials have two VERY different sets of guidelines they are told to follow in those two very distinct games...you can't watch an NBA or WNBA game and expect it to be called the same as an NCAA game. In fact, watch a Lisa Mattingly, Sally Bell, Melissa Barlowe, etc. referee a WNBA game and then watch them ref an NCAA game - it's night and day...and that's the way the WNBA wants it. What you think in your mind is a "questionable call" is the way the WNBA has instructed plays to be called. Apples and tangerines, baby.

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And therein lies your problem...you are trying to compare NCAA games and WNBA games...the officials have two VERY different sets of guidelines they are told to follow in those two very distinct games...you can't watch an NBA or WNBA game and expect it to be called the same as an NCAA game. In fact, watch a Lisa Mattingly, Sally Bell, Melissa Barlowe, etc. referee a WNBA game and then watch them ref an NCAA game - it's night and day...and that's the way the WNBA wants it. What you think in your mind is a "questionable call" is the way the WNBA has instructed plays to be called. Apples and tangerines, baby.

Sally Bell retired from the WNBA a couple of years ago, but point will taken.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And therein lies your problem...you are trying to compare NCAA games and WNBA games...the officials have two VERY different sets of guidelines they are told to follow in those two very distinct games...you can't watch an NBA or WNBA game and expect it to be called the same as an NCAA game. In fact, watch a Lisa Mattingly, Sally Bell, Melissa Barlowe, etc. referee a WNBA game and then watch them ref an NCAA game - it's night and day...and that's the way the WNBA wants it. What you think in your mind is a "questionable call" is the way the WNBA has instructed plays to be called. Apples and tangerines, baby.

I appreciate you explaining this to me. I'm not on some kinda ego trip here, with a powerful need to be right. I just want to understand, that's all.

[InvisibleRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And therein lies your problem...you are trying to compare NCAA games and WNBA games...the officials have two VERY different sets of guidelines they are told to follow in those two very distinct games...you can't watch an NBA or WNBA game and expect it to be called the same as an NCAA game. In fact, watch a Lisa Mattingly, Sally Bell, Melissa Barlowe, etc. referee a WNBA game and then watch them ref an NCAA game - it's night and day...and that's the way the WNBA wants it. What you think in your mind is a "questionable call" is the way the WNBA has instructed plays to be called. Apples and tangerines, baby.

rockyroad, I'm not sure that you are correct on this one. It may be that when we say "man, the officiating sure is bad in WNBA, nowhere near as good as NCAA D-1" that you can be right. EVEN if they are the same officials on the floor. If the assigners are saying "call the game this way" and you disagree with how the assigner's want the game called - then you'll think the officiating sucked. Perhaps the blame for the "poor officiating" in the WNBA lies at the assigners who asked for the officials to umpire like that, not with the officials on the floor who are doing exactly what was asked.

(I haven't seen any of the WNBA playoffs, so I'm not commenting on the officiating as good or bad, I'm just replying to others who say that it is bad)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

Who the coaches? The Refs? The players? And being professional implies what? What does the fact that they are getting paid have to do with whether or not there's been a lot of verrrrrry questionable calls. Hey, I watch the games, I'm a fan of the womens game. Don't tell me your not intertested, then try to defend their integrity. I don't care if they are D1, if you watch the games, it's one lousy call after another. How do I know that? I have the benefit of instant replay. I watch a huge amount of D1 basketball, and have always been impressed with the quality of the officiating. I might watch several D1 games in a row before I even see a call that looks funny, then the tape almost always backs up the Ref. Not so with the WNBA playoffs. You can watch a game and see several questionable calls per game.

Considering that the WNBA is a professional league, I would assume that everyone involved would be considered a professional.

Whether the calls are perfect or not has little to do with integrity. Once again unless you have strapped on the whistle and gone out there yourself not sure what you would understand about what is a good or bad call.

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

Being tough on a player is not wrong, in and of its self, but you have to apply principles of quality leadership to your dealings with players, or they won't respect you. He doesn't get that. You can tell by the blatant looks of disgust and disrespect his players openly give him. Rule #1, you cannot effectively coach a player "hard" until that player KNOWS that you love him or her. It's clear from the body language/facial expressions that his players don't believe Laimbier has their backs. Rule #2, you can NEVER effectively coach a female player "hard" if she has a poor relationship with her Father. I didn't just make this sh*t up, it's tried and true psychology/leadership.

Wow, now you are a relationship expert. I am sure there are similar feelings with NBA players and their coach. I guess you have never heard of Larry Brown.

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

Yeah I'm aware of Summit's style, I've read both her books. Geno Auremma (U-Conn) is even worse. And these are good examples to help make my point- Summit's players know that Pat Summit loves them as though they were her own kids.

Well Geno Auremma must have done something right, he has been kicking Summit's butt for several years now.

It sounds to me you are more concerned with relationships than what results are. Now I also feel that relationships are important, but people are not successful at these levels because of their personal relationships. I am sure these players also deal with father issues not much different than what happens in the NBA or NCAA levels. I believe results are what is important here, not whether someone likes their coach or not.

I am not sure what being a fan has to do with what my opinion is. After all, I have been officiating and when I have watched the WNBA, I am watching the officials not the game. That is not much different when I happened to watch an NBA game. If you feel it bolsters your point of view, then go for it.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Considering that the WNBA is a professional league, I would assume that everyone involved would be considered a professional.

I don't want to jump into the middle of this, but it should be noted that normally in organized HS & NCAA games the only people who *don't* get paid are the players.

OK, carry on.