Pre Game

[rainmaker]

What I"m trying to say is, "I don't understand what Dan is trying to say." Wow, it's bad when I can't say, "huh?" and be understood! I guess I"d better stick to reading only for a while...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

What I"m trying to say is, "I don't understand what Dan is trying to say." Wow, it's bad when I can't say, "huh?" and be understood! I guess I"d better stick to reading only for a while...

What I'm saying is:

1. Be aware of everything that goes on, in & out of your area.

2. If I trust you to call the game correctly then I trust you if you come into my area to pick something up. And I expect you to trust me when I come into your area.

3. If I don't trust you to call your game correctly I'm gonna help when you pass on the really big calls. How do I know I can't trust you? See #1.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

What I'm saying is:

1. Be aware of everything that goes on, in & out of your area.

2. If I trust you to call the game correctly then I trust you if you come into my area to pick something up. And I expect you to trust me when I come into your area.

3. If I don't trust you to call your game correctly I'm gonna help when you pass on the really big calls. How do I know I can't trust you? See #1.

Thanks.... for spelling that out more clearly, and for the content. I agree with you 100%. The whole "I'm not looking in your area" thing has never made sense to me. It sounds good as it comes out of the mouth, but in reality it's just plain stupid. It's important to be consistent with you partner, and the only way to do that is to see what partner is doing, what he's doing and what he's not doing, what he's calling and what he's not calling. Also, I think it's a lot easier to call in my area when I'm aware of what's going on in your area. As the ball moves, and players adjust, and set up new plays and so forth, I need to know which match-ups to keep a close eye on and where the various defenders are that might step into the dribbler's path. What you're saying isn't, "I'm responsible for the whole floor". You're saying "I"ll be AWARE of the whole floor, but I"m responsible for my primary and somewhat for my secondary". That makes the most sense.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You're saying "I"ll be AWARE of the whole floor, but I"m responsible for my primary and somewhat for my secondary". That makes the most sense.

Rainmaker,
That sounds an awful lot like what I posted 2 pages ago in this thread:

"An official needs to referee locally and be aware globally. Being aware means that you know where your partners and the ball are. It doesn't mean that you are reffing in their areas."

Z

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Rainmaker,
That sounds an awful lot like what I posted 2 pages ago in this thread:

"An official needs to referee locally and be aware globally. Being aware means that you know where your partners and the ball are. It doesn't mean that you are reffing in their areas."

Z

Okay, so.....

[comical]

I don't carry a whistle, but keep the scorebook in Division III and post here occasionally. Is there anything you can share regarding what you tell table personnel or what you expect from the table personnel during pregame (or the game itself, for that matter)? For what it's worth, I usually work a doubleheader (women's game, then the men's game). I always appreciate input (even if you think it might be basic material that I already "know". Even a quick refresher course would be helpful regarding what you expect from table personnel).

Now that I'm thinking about basketball season, I made an incredibly stupid mistake last year in a D-III NCAA Tournament game that, while it ultimately didn't affect the game (it was corrected by other people at the table. I was the only one keeping a book. The other school didn't have someone keeping a book to save me, and the game, from my stupidity). Our coaches and other school personnel were cool about my error, telling me it didn't affect the outcome and not to worry about it. Regardless, it's been months, and I still ask myself how I could make such a mistake. It had to do with a running score mistake I made, which led to temporarily taking a point off the board. There's no real question to ask about that, I missed something and know I have to do better (as far as I know, I'll still be keeping the book here. No one's told me otherwise.) I'm just checking in to see if anyone has anything they would like to share regarding working with the scorekeeper.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by comical

I don't carry a whistle, but keep the scorebook in Division III and post here occasionally. Is there anything you can share regarding what you tell table personnel or what you expect from the table personnel during pregame (or the game itself, for that matter)? For what it's worth, I usually work a doubleheader (women's game, then the men's game). I always appreciate input (even if you think it might be basic material that I already "know". Even a quick refresher course would be helpful regarding what you expect from table personnel).

The only thing really anyone can tell you are to listen to whatever the officials at the game want you to do. Unfortunately there really is no one size fits all expectation. Hell all I want is to be informed of any problems. Most of the time the crew will figure that out on our own when something goes crazy. Just remember you are apart of the officiating crew. Other than that, the crew that will work on a particular night might have different expectations based on their experience or their own expectations.

Peace