Here is another situation

[johnnyrao]

I'm not sure if this is a technical foul or not. Rule 10-3-4 says that "a player shall not grasp either basket during the time of the official's jurisdiction...". I can not find anyplace in Rule 4 where the "basket" is defined. Rule 4-6-1 says it is basket interference when a player "touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket."

My take on it is that since the rules committee put "including the net" in parentheses in 4-6-1, then the net is normally not considered a part of the basket, and therefore it is not a technical foul to grab the net.

In the original post I think the correct call is basket interference. Since the ball went in then no call is correct, but I really don't think the rules support a technical foul in this situation. Anyone have any other thoughts?

[johnnyrao]

Okay, I just answered my own question. Rule 1-10-1 does say that the net is considered part of the basket, so I am wrong above and you could call a technical foul for grabbing the net. However, in the original post it still leaves basket interference as a possible call, which I would probably call.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

Okay, I just answered my own question. Rule 1-10-1 does say that the net is considered part of the basket, so I am wrong above and you could call a technical foul for grabbing the net. However, in the original post it still leaves basket interference as a possible call, which I would probably call.

Evry time I've seen a play where the defensive player grabs the net, BI is usally the call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

Okay, I just answered my own question. Rule 1-10-1 does say that the net is considered part of the basket, so I am wrong above and you could call a technical foul for grabbing the net. However, in the original post it still leaves basket interference as a possible call, which I would probably call.

B-I is meaningless, since the ball went in. If the kid does a chin up, call a T. If he swipes the net, let it go. Anywhere in between takes judgment.


This has been your Blinding Flash of the Obvious (BFO) for the day.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

B-I is meaningless, since the ball went in. If the kid does a chin up, call a T. If he swipes the net, let it go. Anywhere in between takes judgment.


This has been your Blinding Flash of the Obvious (BFO) for the day.

Adam,
While what you are saying about BI is fine in terms of the effect upon the game, you know that it is not the rules book answer. If jonny is looking for that, then we need to tell him that the ball becomes dead when a BI violation is committed and whether the ball goes in or not doesn't matter. Points will either be awarded or cancelled according to the violation.

[REFVA]

Until REFVA responds and tells us exactly where the ball was when the player grabbed the net, we can't say if BI should have been called or not.

Sorry for the delay guys, I was at the Big East development camp in Chantilly va,

Anyway. Basket goes in and defender does as if he is in the chin up Olympics. Hell yea he got a T. Matter of fact I spoke with some other officials last week. They said the same. BI, basket goes in, award basket, hit em with T.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

Rule 4-6-1 says it is basket interference when a player "touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket."

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In the original post I think the correct call is basket interference. Since the ball went in then no call is correct, but I really don't think the rules support a technical foul in this situation. Anyone have any other thoughts?

1. Good that you answered your own question about the net being part of the basket. Now you will always know that one.

2. As far as the BI call goes, now you understand why I asked REFVA these questions earlier in the thread! Unfortunately, he only answered the last one. So right now, we just don't know.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2.) Some questions about your particular play:
Could you please specify what you mean by the underlined part?
Is the ball ON/touching the ring or is it merely ABOVE the ring IN the imaginary cylinder?
Lastly, was this 2-man or 3, and were you Lead, C, or Trail on this play?

Until REFVA responds and tells us exactly where the ball was when the player grabbed the net, we can't say if BI should have been called or not.
However, we do know that it is a technical foul in either case. If the ball was ON or within the basket, then calling BOTH BI and a T is correct. If the ball was above the ring and not touching it, then the T is still correct, and BI would only be called if the grasping of the net pulled down the movable ring and it contacted the ball prior to returning to its normal position.