Race card played

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

JimGolf -- making a statement to someone, whether it is true or not, does not invalidate the fact that it is neither racist nor true. Weather calling someone who is a racist a bigot is true or not, the statement made to that person, in either case, is a racist statement and in and of itself would warrant a flagrant T IMO.

Its like calling someone a f@g -- wether true or not its derogatory because the terms connotation is a derogatory one.

Calling someone a f@g is a derogatory term. Calling someone a "n@gg@r" is a derogatory term. "Accusing" someone of bigotry is not in any way derogatory and might be actually true in many cases. I guess if someone accuses a Police force of having bigotry in their department (despite evidence to back that up with racial profiling or possible shootings), the person making that statement is a racist. Remember, Martin Luther King went all over this country accusing bigotry and racism in many aspects of life. By that logic everything MLK stood for and was fighting against was all based on his own personal racist feelings. I guess people like Marcus Garvey, W.E.B Dubois and even people like Cornell West, Dr. Alvin Pousaint (sp?) and Chris Rock are all a bunch of racists because they have pointed out bigotry in their writings, lectures, teachings and speeches/stand up acts.

Peace

[deecee]

Did i say the person saying it was a bigot or racist?

I think some of you blow your whistles to hard and its depriving your brain of much needed oxygen. Seems like i said that someone saying "Hey you are a bigot." is a racist remark in and of itself.

I may make some boring, bland comments, and does that make me boring or bland. No -- dealing with that statement as it is and as it stands alone is a racist statement.

Youm might let a coach call you a bigot and laugh it off because hey it could be true -- but to me thats a personal attack and a racist one at I am going to toss him for that.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by deecee

Did i say the person saying it was a bigot or racist?

I think some of you blow your whistles to hard and its depriving your brain of much needed oxygen. Seems like i said that someone saying "Hey you are a bigot." is a racist remark in and of itself.

I may make some boring, bland comments, and does that make me boring or bland. No -- dealing with that statement as it is and as it stands alone is a racist statement.

Youm might let a coach call you a bigot and laugh it off because hey it could be true -- but to me thats a personal attack and a racist one at I am going to toss him for that.

Please, explain to me in small, easy to understand words (because I'm a bear of very little brain) why a coach calling you a bigot is a racist remark. As I understand it, racism by its very nature is not about character, it's about race. So where do you find the racism in this comment?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Please, explain to me in small, easy to understand words (because I'm a bear of very little brain) why a coach calling you a bigot is a racist remark. As I understand it, racism by its very nature is not about character, it's about race. So where do you find the racism in this comment?

Well, you've got a completely black team playing a completely white team, and a black coach telling a white referee that he's a bigot? Now whatintheheck does that coach think that official could possibly be bigoted at? Assistant coaches, in general?

How about you telling me that in small, easy to understand words?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, you've got a completely black team playing a completely white team, and a black coach telling a white referee that he's a bigot? Now whatintheheck does that coach think that official could possibly be bigoted at? Assistant coaches, in general?

How about you telling me that in small, easy to understand words?

He may be accusing you of being racist. But that, in itself, is not a racist remark. It's a character attack, to be sure. But not automatically racist.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

He may be accusing you of being racist. But that, in itself, is not a racist remark. It's a character attack, to be sure. But not automatically racist.

Well, I'm not sure if I understand your logic, but I know where you're coming from now anyway.

Thanks.

Now feel free to go reply to Nevada's treatise.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, I'm not sure if I understand your logic, but I know where you're coming from now anyway.

Thanks.

Now feel free to go reply to Nevada's treatise.

LOL, I'm at 32,000 words and still going. I'll post it when I'm done.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Please, explain to me in small, easy to understand words (because I'm a bear of very little brain) why a coach calling you a bigot is a racist remark. As I understand it, racism by its very nature is not about character, it's about race. So where do you find the racism in this comment?

I can answer that for deecee.

Read every post I've written in this thread. I explained it over and over. If for some reason you can't find one of my posts, let me know and I'll be glad to explain it one more time.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Calling someone a f@g is a derogatory term. Calling someone a "n@gg@r" is a derogatory term. "Accusing" someone of bigotry is not in any way derogatory and might be actually true in many cases. I guess if someone accuses a Police force of having bigotry in their department (despite evidence to back that up with racial profiling or possible shootings), the person making that statement is a racist. Remember, Martin Luther King went all over this country accusing bigotry and racism in many aspects of life. By that logic everything MLK stood for and was fighting against was all based on his own personal racist feelings. I guess people like Marcus Garvey, W.E.B Dubois and even people like Cornell West, Dr. Alvin Pousaint (sp?) and Chris Rock are all a bunch of racists because they have pointed out bigotry in their writings, lectures, teachings and speeches/stand up acts.

Peace

Thanks, Rut. I've been getting this strange de javu throughtout this thread. I've finally realized that it reminds me of the "Diversity" episode of The Office where the idiot boss randomly tells people, "Don't say that, it's offensive." about clearly non-offensive remarks. I'm at a complete loss to understand why people claim calling somebody a bigot is a racist remark. By calling somebody a bigot, you are accusing them of exhibiting bigoted behavior or expressing bigoted attitudes. In other words, you're attacking that person's character; you are not, however, discriminating or exhibiting prejudice based on that person's race.

A character attack from a coach will earn him just as rapid a dismissal as a racist remark, however.