H.S. Shot Clock

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by refhoops

Since we have the shot clock here in California, we have California Modification which pertains to the shot clock. Hard too beleive in today's game that all states do not use a shot clock. I remember during last year's season a college coach stating that the biggest adjustment his players is for those players coming from states that do not use the shot clock

You're in the minority in more ways than one. Since less than 2% of HS players will ever play college basketball, what's the point in making a rule change when 98% of the players will never be faced with a shot clock.

Rule changes are made for the good of the game, not to benefit the 2% that might play in college some day.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

less than 2% of HS players will never play college basketball

Does include all levels of college ball? D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, etc, men's and women's? Not doubting you at all. Just want to clairy, b/c that just seems really low for all the college programs that are out there.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Does include all levels of college ball? D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, etc, men's and women's? Not doubting you at all. Just want to clairy, b/c that just seems really low for all the college programs that are out there.

According to stats from the NFHS web site 1,002,040 boys and girls participated in high school basketball programs in 2004-2005, the most recent year for which they provide data. 2% of that number would be 20,040. Figure 15 kids per team and you've got 1,336 teams or 668 schools, assuming every school plays both mens and womens ball. Divide that out and you get an average of 13 1/3 colleges per state. So 2% seems a little high, actually.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

According to stats from the NFHS web site 1,002,040 boys and girls participated in high school basketball programs in 2004-2005, the most recent year for which they provide data. 2% of that number would be 20,040. Figure 15 kids per team and you've got 1,336 teams or 668 schools, assuming every school plays both mens and womens ball. Divide that out and you get an average of 13 1/3 colleges per state. So 2% seems a little high, actually.

Tooling around the internet I got this:

There are 334 NCAA men D1 teams in the RPI list.
There are about 300 men NCAA D2 teams.
There are total 800 D3 men & women teams

JUCO:
Approx, men:
300 D1
100 D2
100 D3

So that's roughly 3000 men's & woman's teams, assuming each school fields both (not always the case).
Assume 10 players avg per team, that's 30,000 players total NCAA & NJCAA. Or about 3%

2% seems close enough by my rough count.

[ChuckElias]

Very interesting. Thanks, Dan.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Since less than 2% of HS players will never play college basketball,...

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[rainmaker]

I'd like to ask a shot clock question for NCAA-W. On a held ball, when the ball returns to the team that was in possession when the held ball occurred, does the shot clock reset? I thought no, but a partner and I disagreed.

[JRutledge]

For the record the rules on shot clock issues like this, are exactly the same between NCAA-W and NCAA-M basketball.

A held ball does not reset or change the shot clock setting (you do not reset the shot clock for kick balls anymore as an example). The time would stay the same even if it is one second left.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For the record the rules on shot clock issues like this, are exactly the same between NCAA-W and NCAA-M basketball.

A held ball does not reset or change the shot clock setting (you do not reset the shot clock for kick balls anymore as an example). The time would stay the same even if it is one second left.

Probably not the best example to pick since the shot clock does reset to 15 on a kicked ball if it was below that.
You might consider clarifying this post as people could well confuse what you are saying since the kick rule doesn't follow what is in blue.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Probably not the best example to pick since the shot clock does reset to 15 on a kicked ball if it was below that.

Technically (as it was explained to me), the shot clock is not reset on a kick ball. If the shot clock is under 15, then it is set to 15. Apparently, "reset" implies set to its original position. That's what I was told. Just passing it along.

You might consider clarifying this post as people could well confuse what you are saying since the kick rule doesn't follow what is in blue.

That's why the kick comment was in parentheses.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Technically (as it was explained to me), the shot clock is not reset on a kick ball. If the shot clock is under 15, then it is set to 15. Apparently, "reset" implies set to its original position. That's what I was told. Just passing it along.


That's why the kick comment was in parenteses.

Hey, Shorty get back into your squirrel hole before I get Dan to pick on your spelling.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Probably not the best example to pick since the shot clock does reset to 15 on a kicked ball if it was below that.
You might consider clarifying this post as people could well confuse what you are saying since the kick rule doesn't follow what is in blue.

I apologize that people cannot read the rulebook to understand the example I gave.

Peace

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'd like to ask a shot clock question for NCAA-W. On a held ball, when the ball returns to the team that was in possession when the held ball occurred, does the shot clock reset? I thought no, but a partner and I disagreed.

Depends on whether there was team control at the time of the held ball, Juulie. If there was team control and the arrow favors the team that had control, then no reset. If there is no team control (for instance, after a try that fails to hit the rim), then there is a reset.

2-14-6c covers the general case -- which is to reset on any held ball.
2-14-7e covers the exception -- which is not to reset when there is team control.