Comments On NFHS Changes

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Is the ball not dead once it is in the net? per rule 5-8-3b.

Yes, and the head coach has to make a request at that time as per the same rule.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, and the head coach has to make a request at that time as per the same rule.

Where does it say that? The rule says we grant it at that time - not that they have to request it at that time...if someone shoots, and coach says "Time-out if it goes" while the ball is in the air, I'm giving them the time-out after it goes thru...that's per the rule - I granted it at the correct time.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Where does it say that? The rule says we grant it at that time - not that they have to request it at that time...if someone shoots, and coach says "Time-out if it goes" while the ball is in the air, I'm giving them the time-out after it goes thru...that's per the rule - I granted it at the correct time.

Did you read the NCAA rule that I cited to Dan? Pretty explicit, isn't it? Can you point me to language anywhere that also talks about granting a TO request made before a goal?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Did you read the NCAA rule that I cited to Dan? Pretty explicit, isn't it? Can you point me to language anywhere that also talks about granting a TO request made before a goal?

I read the rule Dan posted, read the rule you posted, and actually read the rule out of the book just in case one of you two was lying to me again!!

All of the rules refer to "granting" the time-out at the appropriate time or "recognizing the request" at the appropriate time...none of them say that the coach must request it at a specific time.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I read the rule Dan posted, read the rule you posted, and actually read the rule out of the book just in case one of you two was lying to me again!!

Dan may lie but Chief ThunderButt never speaks with forked tongue....

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Dan may lie but Chief ThunderButt never speaks with forked tongue....

Geesh, now I have to add that to my mental picture of the back of a police car...

So, rocky, I see what you're sayin', but does that mean my absurd scenario about a coach requesting TO in the pre-game if the other team goes on a 10 point run would be legal and allowable?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Geesh, now I have to add that to my mental picture of the back of a police car...

Yup, picture me sending smoke signals.....

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Geesh, now I have to add that to my mental picture of the back of a police car...

So, rocky, I see what you're sayin', but does that mean my absurd scenario about a coach requesting TO in the pre-game if the other team goes on a 10 point run would be legal and allowable?

Thunder-butt??? That's a good one...

And no, the absurd scenarios seldom, if ever, fit the discussion...unless, of course, the coach offers a substantial monetary gratuity for granting said unspoken time-out request. Or maybe if I just think they need a time-out and go ahead and give them one whether the coach wants it or not...

Ok, enough of the absurd scenarios...let's get back to JR having a forked tongue...doesn't that hurt???

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I read the rule Dan posted, read the rule you posted, and actually read the rule out of the book just in case one of you two was lying to me again!!

All of the rules refer to "granting" the time-out at the appropriate time or "recognizing the request" at the appropriate time...none of them say that the coach must request it at a specific time.

So if the ball is rolling around on the floor, the coach can request a timeout while there's neither team or player control and as soon as one of this players gains control, I must then grant his request?

It's no different that what you guys are advocating on the FTs.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

So if the ball is rolling around on the floor, the coach can request a timeout while there's neither team or player control and as soon as one of this players gains control, I must then grant his request?

It's no different that what you guys are advocating on the FTs.

MUST grant his time-out request? Who said anything about MUST???

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

MUST grant his time-out request? Who said anything about MUST???

Shall = must.

I found this out a while ago.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, and the head coach has to make a request at that time as per the same rule.

Sir! I would like to thank you for your continuing interest in my development. You are correct, the request must be made again. Once again thank you.