need some feedback

[dave30]

I would like to know the opinion of my call in a high school boys summer league game.

Tie game: Team A's best player drives the baseline, takes a couple of steps and lowers his shoulder into a defender. Defense wants an offensive foul to foul out the player. Offense thinks it is a shooting foul, thinking defender was not in position. I made the right call.... a travel....The offensive player throws the ball into the corner about 20 feet away. Subs are coming in , there are only 8 seconds left and I ask the player to go get the ball for me please. He looks at me and says, "Go get it yourself!"........With only 8 seconds left, I give him a technical foul. Team B makes the free throws, then gets ball, gets fouled and makes two more free throws to ice the game.

My question is, was I too overzealous in giving a T in that situation? After I think about it, I probably could have ignored it, but when the kid said to go get the ball myself, I just reacted.

[AZ_REF]

In this situation I would have whacked him when he threw the ball away. But if you're going to let him do that and ask him to get it and he talks back, whack him then. Good call IMO.

[JRutledge]

I have no problem wiht the call. As stated earlier, I probably would have T'd the player when they threw the ball. I can also understand why you asked him to get the ball as well. You did good Dave.

Peace

[dave30]

Thanks for the quick replies. I hope the player will think twice about talking back to the officials next season when the real season starts so maybe I helped him out after all !

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dave30

Thanks for the quick replies. I hope the player will think twice about talking back to the officials next season when the real season starts so maybe I helped him out after all !

It is summer league; this is a time to learn for everyone.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by dave30

I would like to know the opinion of my call in a high school boys summer league game.

Tie game: Team A's best player drives the baseline, takes a couple of steps and lowers his shoulder into a defender. Defense wants an offensive foul to foul out the player. Offense thinks it is a shooting foul, thinking defender was not in position. I made the right call.... a travel....The offensive player throws the ball into the corner about 20 feet away. Subs are coming in , there are only 8 seconds left and I ask the player to go get the ball for me please. He looks at me and says, "Go get it yourself!"........With only 8 seconds left, I give him a technical foul. Team B makes the free throws, then gets ball, gets fouled and makes two more free throws to ice the game.

My question is, was I too overzealous in giving a T in that situation? After I think about it, I probably could have ignored it, but when the kid said to go get the ball myself, I just reacted.

hmmm...summer league game...stop the game to tell the coach he needs another player, your little friend needs to leave.

If the coach is smart & sends in a sub, play on.

If not T A1 up. Might as well DQ him at that point as well.

[Dribble]

Like others have said here, I too agree that you made the right call with the T. I can understand why you didn't T the player up when he threw the ball because of the time of the game, etc., but I don't think anyone in the gym would've questioned you if you made the call then. Just food for thought.

[dave30]

They questioned it all right! It was stuff like "how can you call a T to decide a game....that's ridiculous, you need to go back to junior high games....etc. etc....!

[dblref]

Originally Posted by dave30

They questioned it all right! It was stuff like "how can you call a T to decide a game....that's ridiculous, you need to go back to junior high games....etc. etc....!

With comments like these, you know you made the right call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dave30

They questioned it all right! It was stuff like "how can you call a T to decide a game....that's ridiculous, you need to go back to junior high games....etc. etc....!

How can you travel with 8 seconds left? How can you throw the ball away and get a T when your team is only down 2 points? How can you be so boneheaded that you cost your team a chance to win?

Oh, did I yell that back at those knuckleheads? bad...bad...

[REFVA]

I agree great call. As JR mentioned summer league is a place for everyone to tune up skills. That will teach that player not to mouth off anytime. Learn some respect.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by dave30

They questioned it all right! It was stuff like "how can you call a T to decide a game....that's ridiculous, you need to go back to junior high games....etc. etc....!

You did right. You didn't decide the game, the player decided the game when he committed an obvious technical foul.

[dave30]

I should print this thread and hand it to the coach next time I see him!

[Mark Padgett]

I know you probably didn't mean it this way, but you mentioned that this involved Team A's "best player". Just a reminder that we shouldn't let anything having to do with the player's perceived value to the team play into our decision making process. There is no doubt there is a perception by coaches, players and fans that the "best" players should receive some kind of special consideration and that their value to their team should play some part in how they are treated. Simply put - this is wrong. Players are players - period. They all are to be treated equally.

Of course the NBA has different rules on this subject.

[dave30]

That's the reason why the call was questioned. This team couldn't believe that their "best player" could travel in that situation. Not only that, if he hadn't have travelled, it would have been an offensive foul, so the travel really helped him out. He was able to stay in the game and then decided to toss the ball in the corner and mouth off to the referee.